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and Paul Therat's here in are

1:02

you in Dallas, Texas? Tejas. Yes,

1:05

I am. Look at that beautiful room

1:07

you're in. Yeah, I

1:09

am looking at a sea of nothingness Is

1:12

the Dallas metro area? Yeah,

1:14

the flattest place on earth

1:17

perhaps Well, and

1:19

then are you on your way to Mexico after this? Yeah,

1:21

tomorrow we fly to Mexico. It's kind of on the way,

1:23

isn't it? He's still in

1:25

his Fortress of solitude in

1:27

beautiful Madera Park. Very happy to be

1:29

at home. Yeah, I'll give you that

1:31

I'll give you the window view. It's

1:33

been Oh Richard. It's so beautiful Richard

1:35

Campbell. Yeah, there's if you watch closely There's

1:38

been sea lions working the the salmon out

1:40

there so for the past couple of days

1:42

So that is a stunning. Oh, yeah, that's

1:44

where I saw just saw head there. So

1:47

Yeah, the salmon are doing their thing and

1:49

they and they're being feasted upon Is

1:52

it okay to make the show title? I saw a head there

1:55

or should we? You know,

1:57

let's see what happens. Let's see. Let's make any

1:59

other show It's a good title to

2:01

show them the top titles. Yeah, I wouldn't commit

2:03

now, you know. So

2:05

I'm doing, I think it was Mac Break

2:07

Weekly yesterday. And then

2:10

everybody's all excited. 24H2 is here. And

2:13

I'm going, dude. Dude.

2:16

This is Mac Break Weekly, dude. Wait till

2:18

tomorrow. OK, well tomorrow has come. Here it

2:20

is. Here it is. 24H2 has arrived. We're

2:25

all excited. Are we? I don't know.

2:27

Are we? I guess so. What

2:29

do you say? What do you say? I say there's

2:31

been a lot of shenanigans this year. Shenanigans.

2:35

Shenanigans. There you go. That's a

2:37

title right there. A lot of

2:40

shenanigans. I like that Microsoft announces

2:42

this like they're the most common

2:44

measured organization on Earth. And

2:46

everything is fine. This makes sense. As

2:49

you expected, Windows 24H2 has arrived exactly

2:51

on time. Well,

2:54

actually, it was a week earlier. Oh, even worse.

2:57

Next Tuesday would be Patch Tuesday. I sort

2:59

of assumed that would be the day because

3:01

reasons. But Microsoft,

3:04

right? Because reasons. So as

3:06

we talked last week and probably the

3:08

previous 17 weeks, this has been kind of a

3:11

weird year for we

3:13

release things while we release them. Suck it. So

3:16

here we are. It's

3:19

theirs to do. So

3:22

2024 will go down in the

3:24

books as being a unique year. Unless they

3:26

somehow managed to duplicate this next year. 2023

3:30

was pretty hairy too, man. Oh, no. I

3:33

don't mean it that way. I just mean that, yes,

3:36

they were both terrible. But they released

3:38

24H2 initially, remember, in June with the

3:40

CoPilot Plus PCs. And now they've released

3:42

it allegedly for everybody. So

3:45

we'll see. I am

3:48

obviously traveling. So I only have three computers with

3:50

me. So I don't have as many test cases

3:52

here. But

3:55

I'm not seeing it yet. I'll just put it that

3:57

way. So we'll get to that. But yeah.

3:59

So in the building. up to this, there

4:01

has been, you know, I always talk

4:03

about how I don't like multiple displays, but now

4:05

that I'm stuck on this tiny laptop stream, I'm

4:08

kind of going nuts here. I can only look

4:10

at one thing at a time. Yeah, dude, the

4:12

USB power display is a concept. I have at

4:14

least three at home, I could have brought

4:18

any of them. Yeah, should have brought them. But

4:21

I do find bringing two

4:23

annoys people. It's because you're

4:25

using their tray table on

4:27

the plane. Yeah,

4:30

people have high maintenance, I don't know what

4:33

it's about. Yeah, I guess if I was

4:35

feeling up to it, I could just use

4:38

one of my other windows laptops as a display, but

4:40

that takes 30 minutes to set up. I should put

4:42

some hook velcro on the back of one of them,

4:44

stick it to the seat back as

4:46

an above monitor. Anyway, you know, you

4:49

go to war with the Army, have

4:51

it won that. So here I am.

4:54

So let's see, let's see

4:56

if I can remember this because it's so convoluted.

4:58

But last week was... Week

5:00

D? No, the week before it

5:03

was week D. I'm

5:05

losing my mind. Okay. Yeah, last

5:07

week was week D. Microsoft

5:10

remember did not ship any updates on

5:13

that Tuesday as we, you know, as would be

5:15

the schedule. They're waiting till the show was finished

5:17

as usual. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

5:20

pretty much. And so they

5:22

released the preview update for 22 and 23H2 I

5:24

think on Thursday and then

5:28

it wasn't until Monday that they

5:30

released one for 24H2, which is kind of curious

5:34

timing, right? The

5:36

22, 23H2 build,

5:40

preview build, preview update, was

5:42

apparently a freaking disaster. So

5:45

all kinds of reliability problems. People

5:47

were having instances of computers just

5:49

rebooting like repeatedly. So

5:52

yeah, Microsoft

5:55

just, I think today or yesterday, took

5:58

the rare step of issuing some... for

32:00

Cortana. So,

32:04

Copilot Daily. I almost said Cortana Daily. I

32:06

do struggle with this. We could call it

32:08

Clippy Daily. Doesn't matter.

32:10

But Copilot Daily is every day you

32:12

get up and there's a summary of news and weather and blah,

32:14

blah, blah, that kind of stuff. You can have it read out

32:16

loud like you do with a device, perhaps, or

32:18

an echo device, I guess. And

32:21

that is rolling out now. Apparently in the

32:23

US and UK, more countries' personalization options are

32:25

coming, but haven't seen it. Copilot

32:28

Voice, just the same stuff

32:30

we see on all of these things right now.

32:33

You can choose from different voices. If you set

32:35

up a new iPhone, you got to choose a

32:37

voice for Siri, including men voices, which I'd say

32:39

is a little weird for something called Siri. You

32:41

know, I've had three different cases now where people

32:43

have sent me a podcast generated by AI where

32:46

the main voice sounds like me. Interesting.

32:48

That's the Notebook LLM. Or

32:51

Notebook LLM. That's one of them. It's

32:53

pretty wild. They really do sound like

32:55

podcasters. All the ums and...

32:57

Yeah. Mm. Yep. Very

33:00

strange. It's all... My ums are

33:02

all natural and possibly caused by something that's wrong

33:04

with my brain. So, come on. In their case,

33:06

it's exactly the same thing. They're in the right

33:08

place. That's right. Calculate in the background. Yep. Crap

33:11

in, crap out. That's the AI model. Personalized

33:15

Discover, the Discover feed, they can't seem to

33:17

get over. I don't want

33:19

to even discuss that. More on Microsoft Edge integration,

33:21

right? We know that Copilot is available as a

33:23

pane in the browser as

33:26

well. And that's the way you can use it

33:28

on the Mac or even Linux. Can I use

33:30

that as a title if I spell it P-A-I-N?

33:34

Yeah. You could say the pane is a

33:36

pane. Pane in the browser. And

33:40

then, these curious

33:42

ones, I guess, is a couple. So, Think Deeper.

33:45

This is an experimental feature. So, this is another

33:47

new thing. They're gonna keep these

33:49

disabled by default, but you can go in and turn

33:51

it on if you want. Now, this one actually requires...

33:53

I don't know what that is. That's

33:56

chatgpt401. one,

34:00

right? That's the reasoning. Okay. Chat

34:02

should be that thinks it's slow, but it can

34:04

Yep. Supposedly. Yeah. So this

34:07

one, you have to be paying for

34:09

CloudPilot Pro. Yeah. And

34:11

it will answer complex questions. Yeah. That's an open AI thing.

34:13

Yeah. It's a new model from open AI. Well, no, it's

34:15

a, it's a completely new Microsoft thing. I don't know why

34:17

you call it that. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I say? I

34:19

did. Yeah.

34:23

It's hard to overstate. I rely on it

34:25

there in open AI. Anyway, limited number of

34:29

well, as far as I can tell, it's

34:31

just relabeled open AI. There's nothing's, is

34:34

Microsoft adding anything to co-pilot? They

34:37

put a mercury sticker on it. I don't know why you

34:40

don't understand it. What do you want? It's something

34:43

completely different. It

34:45

will be available in what's

34:47

it? Australia, Canada, New Zealand, UK,

34:50

US, right? But the

34:52

big one here, and this is one maybe

34:54

we should try to digest a little

34:56

bit, is co-pilot vision.

34:59

This is also experimental, so it's off by default.

35:03

If you turn it on, if you

35:05

thought recall was a nightmare, so

35:08

this will scan everything you do in real time and

35:11

it will offer you suggestions based on the

35:14

context of what it sees. Now

35:16

they've learned something from recall, right? This

35:18

thing is, is only

35:22

alive while you're in the context of the

35:24

thing, it disappears. Nothing is ever saved anywhere.

35:26

It goes away immediately. There's no history. There's

35:29

no anything like that. It's

35:33

primarily, from what I can tell, really

35:36

for the web. You're on a computer and

35:39

you're looking at something on the web and it's supposed

35:42

to not work with paywalled content, sensitive

35:46

content. I don't know how we would know. I know,

35:48

whatever that means. Right,

35:51

this is one of those things I feel like I

35:53

need to experience this before I can speak intelligently about

35:55

it, which frankly should be true of everything. But,

35:58

limited number of co-captains. They

1:54:01

may be disappointed, but I think. I'm

1:54:04

so sorry. No, I think this Intel thing,

1:54:06

for instance, big blip on my

1:54:08

radar all of a sudden. Very

1:54:11

interesting. Especially the Xbox news. That is, you need

1:54:13

to be. Well, that's why I listen. As

1:54:16

a. Don't we have an Xbox

1:54:18

thing now? Didn't I hear one? There's

1:54:20

a reason Richard does the whiskey

1:54:22

thing after Xbox and this year

1:54:24

it's been painfully obvious. Richard, are

1:54:26

you implying that you might have

1:54:28

created something for us? No, I

1:54:30

thought I thought Kev had it.

1:54:32

Kevin, do you have a. Is

1:54:36

that it? That's not much. Can

1:54:38

you do better than that? Listen,

1:54:42

if this was my wake up alarm, I'd still be

1:54:44

asleep. That's

1:54:47

pretty good. Do it again, baby.

1:54:51

Oh, this is the backwards Halo

1:54:53

theme. OK, yeah.

1:54:56

If you play it backwards, it says Xbox

1:54:58

is dead. It is not dead,

1:55:01

and it's time now for the Xbox segment.

1:55:05

Do it again, baby. Not

1:55:07

a. Not a

1:55:10

lot of great news this week, but there was

1:55:12

a Tokyo game show, so Microsoft showed off a

1:55:14

bunch of new games that were coming

1:55:16

to Game Pass. None of these really

1:55:18

jump out at me. There's

1:55:21

a they're remastering the original Starcraft and

1:55:23

Starcraft 2. So those are coming to

1:55:26

PC Game Pass and Game Pass Ultimate.

1:55:28

This is actually one of the other problems with

1:55:30

Game Pass, because with Game Pass Standard,

1:55:33

they're not getting a lot of these new games

1:55:35

day and date, right? So as

1:55:37

they announce these things, they're also announcing games

1:55:39

that are coming to Xbox Game

1:55:42

Pass Standard that are actually older games

1:55:44

that are, you know, have been elsewhere

1:55:46

before, you know, whatever. So I there's

1:55:50

just nothing. I don't know. It's

1:55:52

hard to get excited about both new and old

1:55:54

in one. I know. I know.

1:55:56

Bunch. There is something,

1:55:58

something that India. Indiana Jones game is coming

1:56:01

on December 9th, which I feel like we knew,

1:56:03

but I don't know. Like

1:56:05

I said, nothing super, super exciting

1:56:07

sticks out there, which

1:56:09

is a good segue to this next thing

1:56:11

because they just announced the first Game Pass

1:56:14

games coming to, yeah, the first games coming

1:56:16

to Game Pass for October and will

1:56:19

be the show 24th. So that's a good

1:56:21

one. One year after the acquisition. Oh.

1:56:24

Yeah, how did I write it in the notes? Finally. I

1:56:27

wrote, first Game Pass titles of

1:56:29

October reveal a bonanza of Activision titles

1:56:31

is what I wish we were

1:56:33

discussing. But it's

1:56:35

not what happened. Somehow

1:56:40

they feel like they're turning Game Pass into

1:56:42

that humble bundle, right? It's like where you

1:56:44

get your old titles from. That

1:56:47

was actually the original strategy

1:56:49

for it, oddly. But yeah. So

1:56:52

yeah. The show

1:56:54

24. Yeah, so

1:56:56

the show 24 and Open Roads are actually two

1:56:59

games were previously made available on Xbox Game Pass,

1:57:01

but now they're coming to Game Pass standard

1:57:04

for the first time. So these are two

1:57:06

examples of older games coming. Not

1:57:08

old, but games that launched day and date

1:57:10

originally on the old version of the subscription

1:57:12

and are now coming to the version. I

1:57:14

like this strategy. You've run out of games

1:57:16

to deploy. So you create a new

1:57:19

standard for what Game Pass is and then

1:57:21

you slowly move the games over to them

1:57:25

to have a new release schedule. This is

1:57:27

brilliant. I

1:57:32

know, brilliance is a strong word. It's brilliant.

1:57:36

And then other games. I don't know.

1:57:38

Genius. Yes. Inscription,

1:57:40

Mad Streets and Seafool.

1:57:42

Yeah, I don't know.

1:57:44

Starfield has been, it's been

1:57:46

a year, how long has Starfield been a company? Oh, it

1:57:48

seems like more than that. I love

1:57:50

Starfield. I feel like it might've been, yeah. So there's a

1:57:52

new DLC coming for, it's

1:57:55

called Shattered Space, the story expansion. December 23,

1:57:57

so yeah, more than a year. Yep. And

1:58:00

that's coming Xbox consoles, PC, and

1:58:02

Game Pass. Game Pass now, it's

1:58:04

gonna be so hard to even

1:58:07

explain. I'm sorry, will it come to

1:58:09

Game Pass standard on day

1:58:11

one? I think not, but

1:58:14

I guess we'll see. Is this a hit? Is it a hit? Or

1:58:18

do we expect more from the creators of

1:58:20

Elder Scrolls and Skyrim? Yep,

1:58:23

yep. I know, it's hard to say. I

1:58:26

do think Game Pass with its day one thing has kind

1:58:28

of muddled the water a little bit. When

1:58:31

you bring a movie that might have

1:58:33

gone to Netflix, or I'm sorry, to the theaters,

1:58:35

and you just put it on Netflix or Apple

1:58:37

TV on day one, and is it a hit?

1:58:39

I mean, I don't know. Like,

1:58:41

somebody built a spreadsheet about how much money they

1:58:43

were throwing away by putting it on Game Pass,

1:58:45

and everything has changed. Yep, I

1:58:48

don't know, I don't know. It's getting hard to

1:58:50

gauge these things, which I think, honestly, from the

1:58:53

perspective of these companies, might be part of the

1:58:55

plan. I mean, maybe it's better if we don't

1:58:57

know, because they get to control the narrative. No,

1:58:59

I mean, because they can kind of control it. I

1:59:02

don't know. And then

1:59:04

this, I wasn't sure where else to put this.

1:59:07

This happened just, or I became aware of it

1:59:09

just before we started the show, but former Microsoft

1:59:11

executive Jay Allard is

1:59:13

joining Amazon, or he's going to report

1:59:15

to former Microsoft executive. Panos Panay? Panos

1:59:18

Panay. No! I love it. A

1:59:20

little cult, a little cult's being built inside of Amazon,

1:59:22

and they own a- This

1:59:24

is awesome. That's weird. Did

1:59:27

Allard work for Panay? No,

1:59:29

no, he did not. So- Allard's

1:59:32

older school than Panay is. And

1:59:34

he was a big shot, right? What did

1:59:36

he run Windows? He was the CTO in something

1:59:38

else of Xbox for many years. He's

1:59:41

most famous, stupidly, for the courier

1:59:43

tablet that never came into existence.

1:59:45

That was killed at the last

1:59:47

minute because it didn't have email.

1:59:49

Yeah, so the fun coincidence there

1:59:51

is that courier was killed

1:59:53

by Steven Sinofsky, who was Panos Panay's

1:59:55

old boss. So

1:59:57

it all goes round, comes round. But here's

1:59:59

to Gerald. It's real claim to fame. In

2:00:01

1994, he tried to convince Bill Gates that

2:00:03

the internet was real and we need to

2:00:05

start paying attention to it. That's where I

2:00:07

know that. And Gates ignored him. And he

2:00:09

finally, internet title wave happened. Well,

2:00:11

Silverberg was in on that too, back in the

2:00:14

day. Oh no, he wasn't the only one. But

2:00:16

I mean, but he penned the original, he explained

2:00:18

it in plain English. And you know, had it

2:00:20

distributed around the company. We need

2:00:22

to do this. And he was

2:00:24

an early voice. And listen, but

2:00:26

listen, that's not a bad team

2:00:28

to revamp the Alexa

2:00:30

stack. Yeah. A

2:00:33

set of outsiders, you know, that might

2:00:35

even have a little Cortana contaminant. And

2:00:37

they're now trying to figure out how to turn

2:00:40

that into a product that Amazon cares about. Yeah,

2:00:44

so another Microsoft coincidence, the reason

2:00:46

Amazon has a life is

2:00:48

because a guy named Charlie Kindle, he used

2:00:50

to be calm and whatever else at Microsoft.

2:00:52

Actually, media center, home server, a bunch of

2:00:55

stuff. He was in Dev Dev for a

2:00:57

while too. Yeah, well, yeah, no,

2:00:59

he did calm is he was basically, he was, I

2:01:01

want to say, it's kind of a sort of a,

2:01:03

one of the con gods. I think he was one

2:01:06

of the con gods. So he tried

2:01:08

to get Microsoft to do what became a, and Mike

2:01:10

didn't see a use for it. So he left and

2:01:12

went to Amazon. So there's a whole little circle

2:01:15

of inbreeding going on here that

2:01:17

is not necessarily healthy. It's a

2:01:19

small group really, you know? That's

2:01:21

interesting. All right. Alex, we're going

2:01:23

from, I presume Panos recruited a

2:01:25

lard. Must be, huh? That's

2:01:27

interesting. That would be my presumption. Bring in

2:01:29

your dreams. Mary Jo is the

2:01:32

one who told me about this. And my

2:01:34

response was that's insane. And

2:01:37

then who is reporting

2:01:39

to who? Right. Because

2:01:41

if they- Oh yeah, no question. Yeah,

2:01:44

so I guess it's Jay Allard

2:01:46

is reporting to- Panos

2:01:48

Panay. Panos Panay. Wow. I'm

2:01:50

pumped. Are you pumped? You

2:01:53

know, I'm as pumped as I could be, I guess. I

2:01:56

want you to go to an event with your Alexa

2:01:58

in your hand and have- and I was take it from

2:02:00

you. Yes. Right.

2:02:04

And then a program that's only respond to his voice. He's

2:02:06

such a jerk. I

2:02:09

think we're due for a voice

2:02:11

assistant that is better. You

2:02:13

know what? An Allard got out at the darkest

2:02:15

time at Microsoft. He got out in 2010. That's

2:02:18

what I was trying to just look up. So that he

2:02:21

would- What's he been doing since? He

2:02:23

had like a business for law enforcement and-

2:02:25

Well, it was for, yeah, it was for,

2:02:27

it was a company that was, could recover

2:02:30

stolen bikes, which sounds kind

2:02:32

of weird. He worked it in television for one

2:02:35

day. This

2:02:37

is not good. I know. I can

2:02:39

see Panos coming to him. He's what we would

2:02:41

call a serial entrepreneur. You

2:02:43

can help people recover their stolen

2:02:46

bikes or you can change

2:02:48

the world. I like it. Did

2:02:50

you just want to make sugar water for the rest

2:02:52

of your life? Exactly. You figured out what I was

2:02:54

talking about. All right, let's take a

2:02:56

little break. Back of the book coming up. We got a

2:02:58

tip of the week and app of the week. A runners

2:03:01

radio pic of the week and then brown liquor's back, baby.

2:03:03

Never left. Net well in, okay. You

2:03:07

want to be pedantic about it. That's

2:03:10

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Theriot's tip of the week. So

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Microsoft has made Windows 11 24H2

2:06:40

available, which means you can now go download

2:06:42

the ISO unless you have an ARM computer,

2:06:44

but that's coming. So just

2:06:46

Google download Windows 11 ISO to

2:06:48

get to the site. If you're on Bing, you'll probably get there

2:06:50

eventually. And there's a bunch

2:06:53

of different options, but the advice here or

2:06:55

the tip, so to speak, is that you

2:06:57

should have some kind of external recovery

2:07:00

media of whatever kind. You can make

2:07:02

a recovery disk in Windows, but I

2:07:04

actually think it's better to use the

2:07:07

Windows 7, I'm sorry, the

2:07:09

Windows 11 installation media. I think you

2:07:11

should use the 7 installation. It would

2:07:13

probably be faster. Honestly, it hasn't changed

2:07:15

much, oddly.

2:07:18

But yeah, so the Windows 11.

2:07:20

Burn a new driver. Burn a new one, yes. If you have one,

2:07:22

you should always have at least one USB-C

2:07:24

or whatever. Yeah,

2:07:27

it's time to refresh that is the point. And

2:07:30

maybe you need the ISO for other reasons for VMs

2:07:32

or whatever, but that is available now.

2:07:34

So you should grab that. As

2:07:36

soon as I get my Snapdragon Elite developers

2:07:39

kit, I'm going to burn myself an

2:07:41

ISO of Windows 24H2.

2:07:44

Are you? I

2:07:48

don't trust you. I could burn,

2:07:50

I don't know, maybe something else. I

2:07:52

don't know. We'll see. All right. Well,

2:07:55

there you go. So Adobe

2:07:57

announced and released the latest version.

2:08:00

versions of Photoshop and Premiere Elements.

2:08:03

So these things are $99 each new 79 and

2:08:05

upgrade or

2:08:08

as a bundle together for 149. I

2:08:10

would wait for sale. They're always on sale or

2:08:12

not always on sale. But this is not a

2:08:14

subscription product. No, this is the, again, they don't

2:08:17

call it this, but the perpetual thing. So you

2:08:20

can, Premiere is

2:08:23

still not available through the store. So if you

2:08:25

buy it through the Microsoft store, the Photoshop version,

2:08:27

you get that nice liberal licensing

2:08:29

thing where you can put it on up to 10 computers, which is

2:08:31

really nice. Wow, 10? Yeah, it's

2:08:34

good. So the version that you

2:08:36

buy directly from Adobe or from wherever else is limited to two, I

2:08:38

believe. And you have to, you know, it's the type of thing where

2:08:40

you have to deactivate it and remember to do that. But

2:08:43

it's the stuff that's in Photoshop that

2:08:46

is like normal people would need, you

2:08:48

know. So they have some of the

2:08:50

generative, very raised stuff and the ability

2:08:52

to adjust or create a depth blur

2:08:55

in a photo that doesn't have it or. So

2:08:58

a lot of the AI stuff is migrating into elements.

2:09:01

That's interesting. Yeah, so I think

2:09:03

elements based on many, many years

2:09:05

of experience, I would say is the type of thing you

2:09:08

upgrade maybe every second or third year. You know, you don't

2:09:10

go year to year to year. It's not always that big

2:09:12

of an update, but. If you're gonna go down that path,

2:09:14

you get creative cloud, right? Like people. Yeah, I mean, if

2:09:16

you never wanna stop paying Adobe, they actually, they have that

2:09:19

plan. $35 a month,

2:09:21

something like that. That's a lot of

2:09:23

money, yep. Yeah, but you know, it's what

2:09:25

do you need, right? If you want all the bits and

2:09:27

you wanna be up to date, that's the big one. Yep,

2:09:30

yeah. I'm surprised

2:09:32

they still sell standalone software, like

2:09:35

creative cloud or nothing. I think, I'm surprised

2:09:37

they make premiere elements, honestly. I

2:09:40

Photoshop elements I can make a case for because it's

2:09:42

just kind of a standard need, but maybe they just

2:09:44

sell enough of it, it makes sense. I think it's

2:09:46

a gateway drug. It gets people started to agree. I

2:09:48

think it's gateway drugging. Yeah, that could be. You

2:09:51

want, and I'm sure there's 101 teases inside

2:09:53

those softwares. Well, that's part of the whole product.

2:09:55

Sign up for creative crowds. A little yellow banner

2:09:57

appearance, you know. I get to save this to

2:09:59

another. Adobe cloud, you can, you know, and

2:10:01

I bet you anything that will apply your

2:10:03

$99 immediately to that's three months of creative

2:10:05

cloud. You're a month and a half of creative

2:10:09

cloud. Yeah. Maybe. I

2:10:12

can never remember if I have a

2:10:14

subscription to Adobe or not because I periodically

2:10:17

get angry and cancel

2:10:19

it. And

2:10:21

then I go, oh, but I need it.

2:10:24

And then I resubscribe. I mean,

2:10:26

I would argue we're on this path, right?

2:10:28

Cause it gets become very normal now for

2:10:30

you to sign up to Netflix, to watch

2:10:32

a set of shows and then cancel and

2:10:34

so forth. Like those are a little further

2:10:36

down the consumer utilization path than these things.

2:10:39

Adobe knows this. So yeah, charge you

2:10:42

when you can. They want, yes. Well,

2:10:44

they, they, a lot of

2:10:46

the issues for returning, they want you to sign

2:10:48

up for a year. Right. And if you cancel

2:10:50

after three months, they still charge you. Yeah. And

2:10:52

you know, who's further down the path are New

2:10:55

York times way Poe, those kinds of things. Because

2:10:57

when you go to cancel those, they immediately offer

2:10:59

you a discount year. Right. Yeah. That's right. I

2:11:01

just did this. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of amazing.

2:11:04

Yeah. Anyone who has

2:11:06

had a serious radio, whatever it's called has done this, where

2:11:08

they tried to charge you the full amount of you. He

2:11:11

just talked your way through it and it's like, all right, I got

2:11:13

to, I think they paid me actually to use it. It's

2:11:16

bizarre. I think Ben Stiller should do

2:11:18

a show called the retention division. Yeah.

2:11:21

Where it's all about the people behind the scenes who

2:11:24

are there to get you. You

2:11:26

got to have like the mall on the inside is like, listen, I

2:11:28

don't like what they're doing to you either. I

2:11:30

had a person actually, I had a person at RCN. I

2:11:32

finally, they would hung up on me and

2:11:34

I finally got through to someone. I'm like, I think they're overcharging

2:11:37

me. She goes, they are. You

2:11:40

know, it was, it was unbelievable. This is good.

2:11:42

This is good. I think we see a new

2:11:44

Apple plus TV show. There you go. The

2:11:46

retention division. You

2:11:49

thought you were out, but you're not. You're never

2:11:51

getting out. We're keeping you. Now

2:11:55

when I canceled the cable internet service here

2:11:57

to switch to the fiber, they it's like.

2:12:00

Can you tell me why you're canceling? It's like I'm

2:12:02

buying a faster product for less money. Any questions? Oh.

2:12:07

You know though, I say like I

2:12:09

died, I moved, I've tried

2:12:12

everything. Yeah. Right. I'm

2:12:14

calling for Leo Laporte, he's dead now, and he doesn't

2:12:16

want his Comcast eviction. I must have told this to

2:12:18

him. But I could give it to you for 99

2:12:20

cents a month. When

2:12:22

the Jehovah Witnesses would come to the door, my

2:12:25

friend Gary who got me into writing would tell

2:12:27

him he was all set because he was a

2:12:29

Masonite. And the first

2:12:31

time he said it, I was like Masonite, and he goes, yeah, it's

2:12:33

a countertop. No. But

2:12:36

they always felt, they were always like, oh, that's great. They

2:12:39

thought there was like a, I don't

2:12:41

know what they thought, like a. A

2:12:43

Masonite? A Mennonite maybe? Like a Mennonite

2:12:45

or something? A Masonite. A Masonite. You're

2:12:47

a kind of sausage. I'm a Korean

2:12:49

myself, but okay, fine. I've

2:12:52

reached the level of Korean. Yeah. Yeah.

2:12:55

I'm like a wizard or something now. Granted all the way,

2:12:57

brothers. Granted all the way. I like my countertops radioactive. All

2:13:01

right. Richard Campbell. Run as a

2:13:03

radio. Yeah, I got

2:13:05

an adult show this week. I've talked to

2:13:07

Nicky Chappell who, a fellow podcaster actually does

2:13:09

a podcast on the governance of M365. Oh

2:13:12

wow. It's called the M365 Compliance Podcast. If

2:13:14

I need to get to sleep sometime soon,

2:13:17

I will download one. This is about being

2:13:19

a grownup. And then a lot of sis

2:13:21

admins, that's their job, right? And we dug

2:13:23

into the classic one for, there's

2:13:25

a big, a lot of pressure right now on turning on

2:13:27

co-pilot for M365. But

2:13:30

it includes that little phrase, you have to make

2:13:32

sure your data estate is in order. Oh

2:13:35

God. And so it's like, what does

2:13:37

this mean really? And to Nicky's credit,

2:13:39

like she knows exactly what it means.

2:13:41

Here you go. First off, knowing you

2:13:43

will never be in order, right? It's

2:13:46

a path, just like every other security

2:13:48

requirement. All you're doing is trying to

2:13:50

be better. And it involves

2:13:53

tools like Purview. And in general,

2:13:56

especially she's at the beginning, because she does this for a

2:13:58

lot of companies, like the 80, Pareto's

2:14:00

law says it's mostly about retiring

2:14:03

old data, about at least moving

2:14:05

it into something that identifies as

2:14:07

an archive to be left out

2:14:10

of co-pilot's machinations because

2:14:12

it just causes problems. And

2:14:15

we also dove down this, pick a small project,

2:14:17

pick an eternal project, if you're gonna do this.

2:14:21

And so just taking off pieces of

2:14:23

the organization like HR and

2:14:26

getting it well organized, and then maybe that

2:14:28

can be co-pilotified and

2:14:30

so on. So it was very

2:14:32

constructive to have, to

2:14:35

talk to someone who's really done it for a bunch

2:14:37

of organizations to say, this is what it means to

2:14:39

move down that path and have more confidence that

2:14:41

this thing, your

2:14:45

employers always presume you have squared

2:14:47

away, data governance is closer to

2:14:49

squared away. And

2:14:53

that's all I got. That's all, that's it? Well then I

2:14:55

think you have earned your brown

2:14:58

liquor pick of the week time. I was

2:15:00

looking back through the list and I realized

2:15:02

a couple of three times now, the past

2:15:04

couple of months, I've been, because I've been

2:15:07

reorganizing here, I dug into a stash

2:15:10

of whiskey. And I think I had this Russell's

2:15:12

on the shelf there, stored away in a box,

2:15:14

because it moved with us for

2:15:16

a couple of years, maybe three. So

2:15:19

it was an excuse to open it up and take a taste.

2:15:21

And you've never heard of it, I imagine. Russell's Reserve is

2:15:23

suburban. It is

2:15:25

one of the, it's in fact the only secondary

2:15:29

brand product owned by Wild

2:15:31

Turkey. I've

2:15:33

never talked about Wild Turkey on the show before. It's one

2:15:35

of your sort of well kind of whiskeys.

2:15:39

It's one of the originals. And it's an, you know,

2:15:41

it's got a story behind it, like all of

2:15:43

them do. I always associate

2:15:45

it with drunks, to be honest. Well,

2:15:48

when you think about your basic burbins,

2:15:50

right? When you talk about real basic

2:15:52

bourbon, what do you talk about? You

2:15:54

talk about Wild Turkey, you talk about

2:15:56

Jim Beam, you probably talk

2:15:58

about Jack as well. Anomaly Jack

2:16:00

is not a bourbon because of the maple

2:16:03

filtration. It's a tip. These are all kind

2:16:05

of well They're well with you

2:16:07

see you think your basic basic whiskies that

2:16:09

are reasonably priced. Are they good often mock?

2:16:11

Well, that's a great question and I'm glad

2:16:13

you asked In

2:16:16

this particular case where you talk about the story of wild turkey

2:16:18

and I once been a lot of time because we're not actually

2:16:20

talking about wild turkey per se is As

2:16:23

a gentleman by the name of Thomas Rippey

2:16:25

back in 1891 builds the old Hickory distillery

2:16:27

outside of Lawrenceburg They

2:16:30

survived Prohibition but kind of

2:16:32

lose their brand they kind of go away

2:16:34

from that really as they get back into

2:16:36

selling bourbon in the 1930s They're

2:16:39

just selling it to wholesalers And this is

2:16:41

where an organization called Austin Nichols named for the

2:16:43

man is one of the largest wholesalers of the

2:16:45

whiskey That's being made by the old hooky

2:16:47

distillery and then in an

2:16:52

executive at Austin Nichols

2:16:54

guy named Thomas McCarthy takes some of

2:16:56

the samples of the versions that the

2:16:58

that the old Hickory distillery is making

2:17:00

with him On a turkey hunting trip

2:17:03

and they're good enough that his friends keep

2:17:05

asking him for that wild turkey bourbon This

2:17:07

might be an apocryphal story. Nobody can really

2:17:09

nail it down It sounds like it but

2:17:11

that's where the name sort of comes from

2:17:14

And so I mean it's important the fun

2:17:16

part is thinking here this staple whiskey was

2:17:18

originally made by a company That

2:17:21

was not doing their own distillation Austin

2:17:23

Nichols created the labels and and actually

2:17:26

Ran that as a business for several years Buying

2:17:29

from the other distillery until they finally

2:17:31

purchased distillery in 1971 and named it

2:17:33

the wild turkey distillery That

2:17:36

didn't last for very long nine years later

2:17:38

per no Ricard buys it That's one of

2:17:40

the big conglomerates buying up alcohol all over

2:17:42

the world Although they spun it

2:17:44

off to the Campari group in 2009

2:17:46

and that's how it's resided ever since

2:17:50

And that's there's a dozen maybe 18 different versions

2:17:52

of wild turkey you can buy and we're not

2:17:54

going to talk about any more We're gonna talk

2:17:56

about Russell's instead because Russell's is actually about a

2:17:58

man a guy named Jimmy

2:18:00

Russell. Jimmy Russell went to

2:18:02

work for Austin Nichols in 1953 and

2:18:05

he still works

2:18:08

there. His son has

2:18:10

joined the company. He's been a master distiller

2:18:12

now for 60 plus years. His son

2:18:15

has been a master distiller for 20 years and

2:18:17

back in 1998 the company basically said, you know,

2:18:19

if you want your

2:18:24

own label we'll produce it

2:18:26

for you. And so Russell's Reserve

2:18:28

is literally the master distiller of

2:18:31

Wild Turkey still making

2:18:33

his own whiskey from Wild Turkey.

2:18:36

So their first release was in 2001. You don't make a

2:18:38

whiskey that quickly. It clearly

2:18:40

was just directly from the Wild Turkey collection and it

2:18:42

was a 101. This is basically the 2005 style which

2:18:45

is a 90 proof, 45% ABV. They also

2:18:52

make a rye. So

2:18:55

literally the same mash bill. You know, if

2:18:57

there's anything you can complain about with Wild

2:18:59

Turkey, it's that it's awfully sweet and there's

2:19:01

a reason for that. The mash bill is

2:19:03

75% corn. 13% rye, that's your flavor grain,

2:19:09

and 12% barley which is a relatively

2:19:11

high amount of barley. But with that

2:19:13

much corn you kind of need more

2:19:15

barley because you need the

2:19:18

amylase from the barley to digest

2:19:20

the corn and make it into

2:19:22

ethanol instead of methanol and poisoning

2:19:24

people. So if you're gonna run

2:19:26

corn that high you got to run barley high which is

2:19:28

one of the reasons this

2:19:31

thing smells like candy, right?

2:19:33

Like it is sweet, sweet. Yeah,

2:19:38

you know what? Lucky Charms has nothing

2:19:41

on this. It's very sweet. It's

2:19:43

not burning at all. A little bit of heat

2:19:46

comes down real nice like not

2:19:49

a lot of spice to it. It's it's pretty

2:19:51

harmless. It's like a sugar drink. It's

2:19:54

like soda pop. Except it's 45% alcohol. Yeah.

2:19:56

Part of what they're doing here is that

2:19:59

they only... Their new make when

2:20:01

it comes off the line is only at 55%,

2:20:04

which is very low. Typically

2:20:07

you barrel it in the mid, in the early 60s.

2:20:10

62 is common. So one of Turkey's

2:20:12

claims to fame is that they only come up

2:20:15

to 55%. And

2:20:17

there's another reason for that, which is they

2:20:19

use more of the run. So

2:20:22

when you think back to when we were talking

2:20:24

about how they do distillation with this idea that

2:20:26

you have heads, hearts and

2:20:28

tails, right? So

2:20:31

the initial thing that comes out of the

2:20:33

still is pretty bad.

2:20:35

It's the heads and you don't use

2:20:37

that directly. You don't wanna drink that

2:20:40

stuff. It'll make you go blind. You

2:20:42

put it back into the mash and

2:20:45

it gets recycled. The heart is

2:20:47

the part that you're gonna keep to

2:20:49

actually put in there. Are you slaughtering an animal? Or

2:20:51

are you talking about? What is happening? Hearts and

2:20:53

tails, right? And the head'll kill ya. And

2:20:55

with the tails. The heart is good. What

2:20:58

happens to the tail? The tails is when the alcohol

2:21:00

level starts to tail off and you start to get

2:21:02

more of the longer congeners. And

2:21:05

so some distilleries focus

2:21:07

on a very narrow heart. They

2:21:11

use less of the overall thing. Now, and

2:21:13

especially in bourbon, you would take everything that's

2:21:15

left over, all those heads and tails and

2:21:18

put it back into the still. It's part

2:21:20

of the sour mash process. But

2:21:22

in the case of wild Turkey, and I think this

2:21:24

is an optimization point, and there's one of the reasons

2:21:26

their alcohol level's so low, they keep a lot more

2:21:28

of the tail in. So

2:21:31

they produce more alcohol

2:21:34

per run in the process at a

2:21:36

lower level, which is a little easier

2:21:38

on the barrel too, which

2:21:40

is also why they, you know, their barrels

2:21:42

sell very well because they haven't had a

2:21:44

lot of the flavors pulled from

2:21:47

the wood near as much. So

2:21:50

it's the, what makes it a

2:21:52

reserve then, knowing this is literally

2:21:54

wild Turkey, is where the

2:21:56

barrels come from. So there's

2:21:59

only one. There's a set of

2:22:01

rec houses. They're all the same at

2:22:03

Wild Turkey. There's seven floors high and

2:22:05

they're wooden and stacking. And

2:22:08

so they're horizontal mounts and Russell's

2:22:10

comes from the center floor. So the higher

2:22:13

floors tend to be hotter. So

2:22:15

they lose faster, lower floors tend to be slower.

2:22:17

So they're literally of the seven floors, they're

2:22:19

pulling from three, four and five for

2:22:22

everything that's in the reserve. And

2:22:24

that's why it's also 10 years old, which is not

2:22:26

normal for bourbon. Bourbon tends to be in the five

2:22:28

year range. This is a pretty old bourbon

2:22:33

compared to most. Again,

2:22:35

very sweet. You know what I would

2:22:37

do with this? I'd be making

2:22:39

cocktails with it. Yeah, I noticed they

2:22:41

kind of emphasize the Boulevardier and stuff.

2:22:43

And the Boulevardier is great. You know

2:22:45

why? It's got Campari in it, which

2:22:48

is a bitter. Ah, to cut

2:22:50

the sweet. Cut the sweet back a bit. On

2:22:52

the other hand, and so this is a special

2:22:54

edition, like regular turkeys, 20 bucks a

2:22:57

bottle. This is 40. So

2:23:00

arguably, if you want that sweeter mixer,

2:23:02

I'd buy this. It's a

2:23:04

nicer bottle than the regular turkey. 45%

2:23:08

is a good number to come in in, and

2:23:10

it'll mix nicely. It's usable. There's

2:23:12

nothing wrong with this. Put this in your

2:23:14

well as a little higher class than the

2:23:16

turkey and make yourself some good bourbon cocktails

2:23:18

and you'll be happy. Drinking it neat? You

2:23:21

know, you might as well be stuck in a lollipop. Here's

2:23:24

the seven, a picture of

2:23:26

the seven stories. Yeah.

2:23:29

Wow. And there's Jimmy and Eddie.

2:23:31

Yeah. That's Jimmy and Eddie. Jimmy and Eddie.

2:23:34

There they are. There they are. Eddie Russell.

2:23:38

And Jimmy. Look at Jimmy. Jimmy's been doing this a

2:23:40

while. A long time, more than 60 years. They're

2:23:43

both in the bourbon hall of fame. They're

2:23:48

both seriously successful, great

2:23:50

whiskey makers. That's really cool. Yeah, but a

2:23:53

father and son working together, and nothing bad

2:23:55

to say about that. It's all good. Listen,

2:23:58

this is not my, you know, I'm a. neat drinker

2:24:00

most of the time. This is not something I'm

2:24:02

gonna pick, but it's a

2:24:04

nice little well elevation. It's gonna

2:24:06

go on in my liquor cabinet

2:24:08

for mixing. Russell's

2:24:11

Reserve, it's a wild

2:24:13

turkey for fancy people. There you go,

2:24:16

you nailed it. Nailed it. Very

2:24:21

good, as always, the whiskey segment's always the

2:24:24

most fun. Thank you very much, Richard Campbell,

2:24:26

for some great stories

2:24:29

and pictures and the website.

2:24:32

It's worth checking out, too, the Russell's

2:24:34

Reserve. But that's about

2:24:36

it for this edition of Windows Weekly. I hate

2:24:38

to say it, but our time has come. Paul

2:24:42

Therot, you're heading down from Dallas

2:24:44

to, is the conference you're there

2:24:47

for over? It

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ends, yeah, today's live. Your tech, right? Yep.

2:24:53

Okay, so people's chance to see you is? Is

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diminishing. They're having a party

2:24:58

tonight, so. Oh, good, go to the party if you're in Dallas. And

2:25:02

then you're on to your home in Mexico City,

2:25:04

which is great, I'm jealous. That'll be a lot

2:25:06

of fun. You'll

2:25:08

find Paul's work online at therot.com.

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screenshots. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you,

2:25:52

Paul. Have safe travels. And

2:25:55

we'll see you next week from Mexico. Richard

2:25:57

Campbell is, of course, the host of two.

2:26:00

fabulous podcast shows

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run as radio and dotnet rocks you'll find them

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a much in demand public speaker who is

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heading out soon it begins

2:26:11

yeah this weekend I'm headed out I've

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got a couple of days in the

2:26:15

Netherlands doing a keynote there perils and

2:26:17

promise of AI boy but also doing

2:26:19

a talk on the future of power

2:26:22

and whenever I do that talk I

2:26:24

include the power grid of that

2:26:26

country oh talk about how it's evolving

2:26:29

so I've been studying for the

2:26:31

past couple of weeks the Netherlands

2:26:33

power grid and it's it's my

2:26:35

just like a terrorist would yeah no I pretty

2:26:37

much know all the pretty much all the pieces

2:26:39

now they have exactly one I know where

2:26:41

all the vulnerabilities are I think this is

2:26:45

just fascinating so you're an

2:26:47

auto diet act and they bring you

2:26:49

in because of your ability to absorb

2:26:52

and synthesize information and the delivery

2:26:54

in an enjoyable way

2:26:57

but I agree on the Wednesday

2:26:59

next week I will that morning

2:27:01

fly to Ibiza so in

2:27:03

theory if everything goes well I will be

2:27:05

in Ibiza for the show yeah

2:27:08

the other ones are exactly the

2:27:10

same basically the same thing yeah where

2:27:12

they at midnight they fill the entire

2:27:14

club with foam yeah and it's just

2:27:16

a real fun time I I

2:27:19

am there to do a wedding renewal for the

2:27:21

couple that convinced me to do weddings in the

2:27:23

first place it's their 15th anniversary and they do

2:27:26

a renewal every five years but

2:27:29

we're doing it in an Ava

2:27:31

theme so goodness knows what I'll

2:27:33

be wearing for the show mama

2:27:35

me yeah wow there may be

2:27:38

some silver lemme in my immediate

2:27:40

no Richard Richard Campbell the

2:27:42

game Fernando and

2:27:45

then I'm going on from there to

2:27:47

NBC Porto and then over to Warsaw

2:27:51

and then home how exciting it'll

2:27:53

be you're gonna have a great time for sure well we

2:27:55

will talk to you in all those places I'm sure yeah

2:27:57

I hope so every we do windows weekly

2:28:00

every Wednesday, 11 a.m. Pacific.

2:28:02

That would be, let's

2:28:05

see, 11 a.m. That would be

2:28:07

2 p.m. Eastern time. 8

2:28:09

o'clock at night in Ibiza. 8 o'clock in Ibiza

2:28:12

time. If you're

2:28:14

in Ibiza, you'll enjoy it. Well, it will

2:28:16

be well before you're going out to the

2:28:18

club, so no problem. Perfect.

2:28:22

Perfect. Yeah, if he comes back foam covered,

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