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back to Work in Progress, Whipsmarties
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and friends. I am really excited
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to bring you a special episode
2:54
today. It's no secret
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to any of you who lives in this
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country or is engaging in what is happening
3:01
in this country that our
3:03
rights are under attack. These
3:06
conversations we're having are about
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our autonomy, about science, medicine, and
3:11
healthcare certainly. And they're also incredibly
3:13
personal because they're about pregnancy,
3:15
pregnancy loss, miscarriage, and abortion. And
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so I just want to offer a
3:20
trigger warning to anyone. If
3:22
these are sensitive subjects for you, I hope you
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can stay to hear from the VP.
3:28
But if it feels hard or overwhelming, I
3:31
just wanted to give you a warning and of
3:33
course say take care of yourself first and foremost.
3:36
And in the wake of recent tragedies,
3:38
namely the death of Amber Nicole Thurman
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in Georgia, a young mother
3:42
with a six-year-old son who
3:45
went into the hospital needing
3:47
a D&C and was not
3:49
treated. She was held in the hospital for
3:51
20 hours until she went into septic shock. And
3:54
by the time doctors operated on her, it
3:56
was too late. The sepsis had gone too far
3:59
and she passed away. And
4:01
she's not the only one. Women in
4:03
this country are dying because of the
4:05
abortion bans that have been instituted across
4:07
the country by Donald Trump and
4:10
his Supreme Court judges and
4:12
seeing medical boards say
4:15
with absolute conviction these
4:18
deaths were preventable but
4:20
these women were killed because doctors
4:22
are absolutely terrified to do their
4:24
duties to follow their Hippocratic oaths
4:26
and to save lives because
4:28
the Republican Party in America is threatening to
4:30
jail them for providing health care. I am
4:34
apoplectic and heartbroken
4:37
and I've decided to dig
4:39
into the archives today for
4:43
you because a lot of people have said
4:45
how could this have happened? They said this
4:47
wouldn't happen. They said it would never get
4:49
this bad. And I
4:51
say this with no pride. I
4:54
say this with extreme sadness. Those of
4:57
us who have been fighting these issues
5:00
have been screaming from the rooftops
5:02
that this would happen. We were
5:04
called hysterical. We were told we
5:06
were overreacting and we
5:09
weren't. We're killing people in
5:11
our country because of
5:13
politics and it's devastating. And
5:15
when I'm devastated I
5:18
look to the ones who give
5:20
me hope and one of the
5:22
people who's given me hope as
5:25
a Californian for many years in
5:27
many elected offices is Kamala
5:30
Harris. Our Vice President has
5:32
been incredible as my state's Attorney
5:34
General, as a United States Senator.
5:38
And as the Vice President she has centered
5:41
women and families in her policy.
5:43
She has chosen to advocate on
5:45
behalf of our rights, understanding
5:48
that our liberty is bound together for
5:50
women, for black women, for pregnant women,
5:52
for the LGBTQ community, for trans
5:55
folks. Our autonomy
5:58
is being attacked. And over
6:00
the last couple of years, I've had the
6:02
incredible privilege of traveling the country with the
6:04
vice president on her reproductive freedoms tour. She
6:07
has taken time out of
6:09
her schedule regularly to meet with
6:11
people in every state to
6:14
talk about what's at stake here. And
6:17
in 2022, I was lucky enough to travel
6:19
with her to Bryn Mawr College. And
6:22
in 2024, I was able to visit
6:24
San Jose with her and her team
6:26
has graciously sent us
6:28
the audio from those interviews. And
6:31
we have decided to cut it into an election
6:33
special for all of you today because in my
6:36
mind, there is just
6:39
no greater fight. We
6:42
can't fight about the economy if we're not alive. We
6:45
can't better our schools if our children are
6:47
parentless. We can't change
6:49
America for the better and
6:51
continue to create more access
6:54
to freedom and empowerment and
6:56
opportunity for people if we're
6:59
not alive. So let's
7:02
take a little journey through the
7:04
last two years with Vice President
7:06
Kamala Harris and understand
7:09
why this fight is so personal to her. For
7:13
this first section of audio, you will
7:15
be coming into the auditorium at Bryn
7:17
Mawr College with myself and Vice President
7:19
Harris on October 28, 2022. At
7:23
this event, we were joined by Congresswoman
7:25
Mary Gaye Scanlon, by Admiral Rachel Levine,
7:28
and a number of other exceptional leaders
7:30
all standing up for our rights. This
7:35
is a razor's edge
7:37
moment in our country. It
7:39
is such an incredible, tenuous
7:42
moment in this fight for our rights, rights
7:44
that we have long considered to be settled
7:47
law. And I'm very
7:49
curious how, with the plethora of issues,
7:51
Madam Vice President, that you
7:54
face in the administration every
7:56
day, how have you dedicated
7:58
so much time to champion this issue
8:00
and why does it matter to you so much?
8:03
Let's start with from
8:07
childhood. So
8:09
you see I was raised, my sister and I
8:11
were raised by a mother who had two goals
8:13
in her life, to raise
8:15
her two daughters and to
8:17
end breast cancer. My
8:20
mother was a breast cancer researcher and
8:24
she was one of the very few women as
8:26
a scientist and certainly one of the fewest women
8:28
of color. And
8:31
she would come home at
8:33
night, you know, I
8:36
remember vividly, very
8:38
upset sometimes about how
8:40
women were being treated in the health care
8:42
system. She
8:44
was always speaking
8:47
up and fighting for the dignity of
8:49
women in the health
8:51
care system and in particular as it relates to
8:54
reproductive health. I mean a word,
8:56
a phrase that was often spoken at
8:58
the dinner table from my
9:00
childhood on was mammary gland. My
9:03
mother would talk about mammary glands, she would
9:05
talk about hormones, she
9:08
would talk about reproductive health care, about
9:11
how women should be treated in
9:14
a way that gives them not only
9:16
a dignity that they rightly are
9:18
due but also information
9:20
so that they can
9:22
exercise self-determination.
9:26
In the system and so that's, you
9:28
know, so from the earliest stage and then the majority
9:31
of my career before joining
9:33
the Senate was as a prosecutor and
9:36
when I was a courtroom prosecutor, my
9:39
specialty throughout those years was
9:41
on crimes affecting women and children and
9:44
crimes of violence. In fact, I specialized
9:46
in some of the most horrible cases
9:48
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9:52
again it was always about fighting
9:55
for the dignity, the safety
9:57
and the well-being of women in
9:59
state. so many of those circumstances. But
10:02
to your point, I mean, look where we are. The
10:06
highest court in our land, the
10:09
United States Supreme Court just
10:12
took a constitutional
10:14
right that had been recognized
10:18
from the people of America, from
10:21
the women of America. And
10:23
you know, on this subject, I think it's
10:25
important to note that one
10:27
does not have to abandon their
10:29
faith or deeply
10:32
held beliefs to agree
10:35
the government should not
10:37
be making this decision for her. Oh.
10:39
Wow. But
10:46
what we are now seeing as a result of
10:48
the Dobbs decision are laws
10:50
that are being proposed and passed around our country
10:53
that would criminalize health care providers, literally
10:57
doctors, nurses, other health care providers,
10:59
send them to jail. You
11:02
know, as a practicing attorney, what
11:04
the consequence of that is, both
11:06
in terms of, I think, the
11:08
intent to intimidate and
11:10
instill fear in these health care professionals,
11:12
much less the intent to punish them.
11:16
What is happening with no exception
11:18
for rape or incest? And
11:20
again, I go back to my
11:23
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11:26
talking about individuals who, in
11:28
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that individual, furthermore,
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Hi friends, I hope you're enjoying
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this conversation with Vice President Harris.
31:57
We are going to step back
31:59
in. in 2024 in
32:01
San Jose, California, where I got to
32:03
sit at a large event with the
32:05
VP and talk about how
32:07
the landscape changed over the
32:10
last two years. Some
32:12
facts that I think you all should have
32:14
in hand are that the Trump abortion bans
32:16
have eliminated some or all abortion care in
32:19
22 states in this country. Total
32:21
bans are in effect in 14 states.
32:24
Four states have six week
32:26
bans in place, Florida, Georgia,
32:28
Iowa, North Carolina. Two
32:30
states have 12 week bans in place, North
32:33
Carolina and Nebraska. And two
32:35
states have 15 to 18 week bans
32:37
in place, Arizona and Utah. We
32:39
did, I will say recently, have
32:42
some success. A
32:44
hard fought legal battle in Arizona
32:46
that was combined with very heroic
32:48
efforts from state legislatures repealed the
32:50
state's pre-row abortion ban. That
32:52
was a law, by the way, from 1864
32:55
when we knew nothing that we know today
32:57
about medicine. And that's what they thought should
32:59
govern our bodily autonomy. Thankfully we've
33:01
beat it back, but the fights still
33:03
continue state by state. One
33:05
thing that I do want to highlight for you all
33:08
is that at six weeks, most women
33:10
don't know they're pregnant. And
33:12
a lot of these laws
33:14
have been passed based on false information
33:16
that is meant to emotionally manipulate us.
33:18
They call these six week bans heartbeat
33:20
bans. There is no
33:22
such thing as a heartbeat at
33:25
six weeks. The gestational
33:28
tissue of a fetus
33:30
has not formed a heart yet. You
33:33
are actually hearing the electrical pulses from
33:35
a mother's body that
33:37
move through her blood supply into
33:40
her uterus. It's not
33:42
lost on me that they want to
33:45
sentence women to death if they
33:47
have pregnancy complications because of their
33:49
own heartbeats. This
33:51
is what we're up against. National
33:54
states have gestational limits in place beyond
33:56
20 weeks. Unfortunately,
33:58
we all know that most
34:01
abortions that happen after 20 weeks
34:03
happen due to fetal anomalies. They
34:05
happen due to catastrophic and
34:08
sad loss that families are facing.
34:10
And since these bans
34:12
have gone into place, we have
34:14
seen infant mortality increase in some
34:16
states by horrific, horrific
34:19
percentages. And while
34:21
the former President Donald Trump might
34:23
be touring the country stating that
34:25
he is proud to have overturned
34:27
Roe v. Wade because, quote, everyone
34:29
wanted this, I don't think
34:31
everyone in Texas wanted to see maternal
34:33
mortality rise to 56% compared with
34:37
an 11% rise nationwide during the period
34:40
that Roe v. Wade was overturned. I
34:42
don't think that infant mortality rising by
34:44
over 8% across the country because
34:47
mothers are being forced to
34:49
carry fetuses with fatal anomalies
34:51
to term is what,
34:53
quote, everybody wanted. But here we
34:56
are. And I
34:58
want to be very clear with our listeners
35:00
that Donald Trump and JD Vance, along with
35:02
their draconian plans under Project 2025, have a
35:04
plan for him to radically alter the
35:09
American government and end abortion access
35:11
nationwide on day one, using every
35:13
single lever that they can, even
35:15
without Congress. They have printed
35:17
this plan. This is not hearsay. This is
35:19
not hysteria. They put it on the internet,
35:22
guys. It's there. So no matter
35:24
what he goes out there and says about
35:26
being pro fertilization that made me want to
35:28
vomit, his party has voted against IVF not
35:30
once but twice. You need to
35:32
watch what he does and what the GOP do
35:35
as a voting bloc. Not what he
35:37
says and not what they say. You
35:39
cannot trust them on campaign statements, but
35:41
you can trust their records on abortion.
35:44
No matter how you feel about it, we're
35:47
all allowed to have feelings
35:49
and beliefs that we
35:51
adhere to in our own lives.
35:53
But our feelings and beliefs cannot
35:55
govern policy. They cannot govern medical
35:58
science at no
36:00
point in any person's pregnancy
36:02
is a politician more qualified
36:04
to make decisions about your
36:06
health than you and your
36:09
doctor. We have to
36:11
be really clear on our language here, and
36:14
we have to be really clear about the goals of the
36:16
right. They knew that abortion
36:18
bans would kill women, and they
36:20
are. They knew that abortion bans would
36:22
harm families, and they are. And
36:25
we have to be frank, as Sarah Jones says,
36:27
that when abortion bans kill, they reveal their true
36:29
purpose, which is to grant a
36:31
handful of extremists the power over the lives
36:33
and deaths of American women.
36:37
When we take into account that nearly one
36:39
in three women will experience sexual violence or
36:41
physical violence in their lifetime, and
36:43
that many of these states' bans make
36:45
no exceptions for rape or incest, it
36:48
gets worse. One thing I
36:51
want to alert you all to, friends, is that
36:53
these anti-abortion, these
36:55
anti-reproductive freedom groups are
36:58
signaling their intent to enforce a really
37:02
terrifying law. It's radical. It's
37:05
called the Comstock Act, and they are specifically
37:08
and on purpose misinterpreting
37:11
that act to further restrict
37:14
access to abortion and contraception. Just
37:16
so you all know, you can do your research here. The
37:19
Comstock Act is an
37:22
1800s law about controlling people's sex
37:24
lives that was passed before women could vote.
37:27
And that's how they want us all to live
37:29
if they win. These
37:31
attacks are going to have consequences with
37:33
ripple effects in every single state across
37:35
the country, and they share the same
37:37
goal, banning abortion nationwide and making sexual
37:39
and reproductive health care inaccessible.
37:43
They want to deny you the right
37:45
to be a parent should you want to, needing IVF.
37:48
They want to deny you the right to not
37:50
be a parent yet should you want to using
37:52
birth control. These are terrifying
37:54
control mechanisms, and while these extreme
37:56
Supreme Court justices may have felt
37:59
confident to... in
56:00
rural communities and more folks
56:02
who already have the most
56:05
difficulty accessing healthcare, including the
56:07
LGBTQ plus community and really
56:09
including trans folks. And
56:11
guys, I would be remiss if
56:14
I didn't make it incredibly clear here. Racism
56:17
and sexism fuel each other. And as
56:19
more women who look like me, more
56:21
white women who have typically been Republican
56:23
voters are voting to protect abortion access
56:26
because their friends are dying. They see
56:28
these hideous things happening to
56:30
women and families around the country. The
56:34
Republicans are scared. So
56:36
who are they attacking now to
56:38
continue to popularize attacks on bodily
56:40
autonomy? They're attacking trans folks
56:42
because while women are 51% of
56:45
the population in this country, trans
56:47
folks are our smallest and most
56:49
vulnerable population. We're talking a couple
56:53
hundred thousand people in a country of 332 million and
56:57
the Republicans have put a target on
56:59
their back because they want you to
57:01
think restricting someone's bodily autonomy and choices
57:04
about their life is
57:06
okay. They're losing ground on the
57:08
abortion fight. So they are coming for us
57:11
in hideous ways. They are trying to subvert
57:13
the votes. They are trying to take these
57:15
laws that we have put on ballots state
57:17
to state by signing up, by exercising
57:20
our due process under the law. They are
57:22
trying to stop those votes from even being
57:24
taken this year. So we have to
57:26
fight again. They are coming at
57:29
us with project 2025. They are coming
57:31
at us with everything they
57:33
can muster for
57:36
what to cause harm to see
57:39
nonviable pregnancies carried to terms. So
57:41
those babies die in their parents
57:44
arms to kill women by
57:46
putting them into septic shock before they'll
57:49
give them much needed
57:51
post-abortion or post-miscarriage care.
57:53
This is barbaric. And
57:57
I'm hoping that these conversations in which I got
57:59
to sit down.
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