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Mrs. Radio Lab and Lula Miller.
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Ah, and even though the Solar Eclipse
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is a couple weeks in our wake,
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as is our big show all About
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the moon, it turns out we're not
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quite done waxing poetic about the moon.
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We've gotta. We've got one more little
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piece we'd love to play for you.
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It comes from the archives and it
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is truly one of the most. Delicious.
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Imaginative looks at the moon.
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I've ever heard. This. Version
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of the story comes from a
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night of live storytelling hosted by
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Job and Robert for the program
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selected Shorts which is a lovely
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series that's been around for a
1:13
long time Ah, that basically get
1:16
fancy actors to read really good
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short stories with a lot of
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fun and so yeah, I'm gonna
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just zap you over to New
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York City to the Eu Symphony
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Space where Jad and Robert are
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just taking. The. Stage. Where
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you have. Your
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than listening to radio Lab. Radio
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from really W and Weiss
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hey. Why?
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There. Is a theory, but twenty five
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years old. Now that explains how the
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earth got a moon. And
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the goes like this show about. Work.
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And a half billion years ago. The
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earth was no fresh new planet was
2:05
going around the sun and the solar
2:07
system wasn't having a sort of a
2:09
fiery sort of chaotic creative and due
2:11
to the mix very large planets weight
2:14
but the size of mars kind of
2:16
went rogue and began popping around and
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there was a seat on collision between
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the earth and this planets and the
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to went. Under the
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incoming once melted much as the
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earth the earth become sort of
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vaporous and everything ami earth just
2:31
went to gas and sort. Of
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flew up. Many earth's became sort of
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an unsolved for a while when it
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cools the earth cel back into place
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and there was this extra things very
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very close by that we called the
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moon But ever since that that moment
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these two sulistyo or the earth and
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the moon have been very gradually very
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very slowly drifting away from each other
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at a rate of and such things
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one nano meters per second. To
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none a lot but to suppress impractical sort
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of the mountains of but the speed that
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your fingernails grill ah but imagine you signals
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going to four and half billion years and
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got a long fingernail yes and or other
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of further away. So this is a story
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semi follow cal venal and just doing the
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fm radio overpay doesn't know how he really
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since he's a cuban born rider can move
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to Italy grew up there a spot the
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nazis for the and will work to read
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book about that than what many other books
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at among them he created a series of
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stories called. Cosmic Comics. They
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are mostly of the same
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map narrator, a mysterious character
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called. With.
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Him. To.
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Having all the base backstage
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Madison that stuff you spell
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it to F W Sq
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Catholic. Priests
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with with. tell
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you have wait for it i am
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him maybe it'll come out and i
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wanted us so this is this fellow
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he's very easy he told stories uh...
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it it it this is included the
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origin of the universe the beginning of
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time so uh... and i think it
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will be read for you today by
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an incredible actor director producer screenwriter and
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amen who for the last decade
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would you say has been
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uh... robert's unrequited boy crush it's
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not one-sided bromance it's not it's not like sexually
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things just like that it is it is a
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thing uh... i
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uh... now
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at this moment he just pops out leah comes
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out onto the stage and hands me this little
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piece of paper they're pretending like he's handing robert
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his phone number but nothing on it though i
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was watching a play once this was many years ago
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called don't look back there was an actor in it
4:49
named jane alexander just amazing act and she walked onto
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the stage in this play and she
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just dropped some luggage on
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the stage and looked around and
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in that moment she hadn't said anything yet there
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was like uh... there was a history there uh...
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uh... there was so much information before there
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was any sound i never thought
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that again until a few years ago in
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a view from the bridge bev shryber was
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uh... along shryber he was just sitting the
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play begins there's a guy sitting in a
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chair reading a newspaper
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i think he turned a page and
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so i'm sitting there and i'm seeing an
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entire universe of a person i
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don't know how he did it uh...
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you may know his work from glen gary gimbal
5:38
so the mama plays and his own tv and
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i simply think he's this is the
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question i think he's like the best living no
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no pressure or anything but
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yeah he had to say p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p uh...
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it is a tall order here he is read
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Italo Calvino's The Distance of the
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Moon, Liev Schreiber. The
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Distance of the Moon by Italo
6:23
Calvino. At one
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time, according to Sir George H. Darwin,
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the moon was very close to the earth. Then
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the tides gradually pushed her far away.
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The tides that the moon herself causes
6:36
in the earth's waters, where
6:38
the earth slowly loses energy. How
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well I know, old crybe.
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The rest of you can't remember, but I can. She
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had her on top of us all the time,
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that enormous moon. When
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she was full, nights as bright as day,
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but with a butter-colored life, it
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looked as if she were going to crush us. When
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she was new, she rolled around the sky like
7:05
a black umbrella blown by the wind. And
7:08
when she was waxing, she came forward with her
7:10
horns so low she seemed about to stick into
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the peak of a pomatory and get caught there.
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But the whole business of the moon's phases
7:19
worked in a different way then, because the
7:21
distances from the sun were different, and the
7:23
orbits and the angle of something, or rather,
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I forget what. As
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for eclipses, with earth and moon stuck
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together the way they were, why we
7:32
had eclipses every minute. Naturally,
7:35
those two big monsters managed to put each
7:37
other in the shade constantly, first one, then
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the other. Orbit?
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Oh, elliptical, of course. For
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a while, it would huddle against us, and then it
7:46
would take flight for a while. The
7:49
tides when the moon swung closer rose so
7:51
high nobody could hold them back. There
7:54
were nights when the moon was full and
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very, very low, and the tide
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was so high that the moon missed
8:00
a dunking in the sea by a hair's breadth.
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Well, let's say a few yards anyway. Climb
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up on the moon? Of course we did.
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All you had to do was row out in a boat
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when you were underneath, prop a ladder against her, and scramble
8:14
up. The
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spot where the moon was lowest as she went
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by was off the zinc cliffs. We
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used to go out with those little rowboats they had
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in those days round and flat, made of cork. They
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held quite a few of us. Me,
8:28
Captain Vuh-Hizbuhd, his wife, my
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deaf cousin, and sometimes little Ix-ul-lix.
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She was 12 or so at the time. On
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those nights, the water was very calm. So
8:41
silvery it looked like mercury. And
8:43
the fish in it, violet colored, unable
8:45
to resist the moon's attraction, rose
8:48
to the surface, all of them. And
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so did the octopuses and the
8:52
saffron medusas. It
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was always a flight of tiny creatures, little
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crabs, squid, and even some weeds,
9:00
light and filmy and coral plants, that
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broke from the sea and ended up on the moon, hanging
9:06
down from the lime white ceiling, or
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else they stayed in midair, a phosphorescent
9:11
swarm we had to drive off
9:14
waving banana leaves at them. This
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is how we did the job. In the
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boat, we had a ladder. One
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of us held it, another climbed to the top,
9:24
on the third at the oars, rode until we
9:26
were right under the moon. That's why there had
9:28
to be so many of us. I only mentioned
9:30
the main ones. The man
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at the top of the ladder, as the boat
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approached the moon, would become scared and start shouting,
9:36
stop, stop. I'm going to bang my head. That
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was the impression you had, seeing her
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on top of you, immense and all
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rough, with sharp spikes and jagged sawtooth
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edges. It may be different
9:49
now, but then the moon, or
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rather the bottom or the
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underbelly of the moon, the part that passed
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closest to the Earth and almost scraped it,
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was covered with a crust of sharp, scales.
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It had come to resemble the belly of a fish, and
10:04
the smell too, as I recall, if not
10:06
downright fishy, was faintly similar,
10:09
like smoked salmon. In
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reality, from the top of the ladder, standing erect
10:15
on the last rung, you could just touch the
10:17
moon if you held your arms up. We
10:20
had taken the measurements carefully. We didn't yet
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suspect that she was moving away from us.
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The only thing you had to be very careful about was
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where you put your hands. I
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always chose a scale that seemed fast.
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We climbed up in groups of five
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or six at a time. Then I
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would cling first with one hand, then
10:38
with both, and immediately I would feel
10:40
ladder and boat drifting away from below
10:42
me, and the motion of the moon
10:44
would tear me from the Earth's attraction. Yes,
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the moon was so strong that she pulled
10:50
you up. You
10:52
realized this the moment you passed from one
10:54
to the other. You had to swing up
10:57
abruptly with a kind of somersault, grabbing the
10:59
scales, throwing your legs over your head until
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your feet were on the moon's surface. Seen
11:04
from the Earth, you looked as if you were
11:06
hanging there with your head down, but for you
11:08
it was the normal position, and then the only
11:10
odd thing was that when you raised your eyes,
11:12
you saw the sea above you, glistening, with
11:15
the boat and the others upside down, hanging like
11:17
a bunch of grapes from the vine. My
11:21
cousin, the death one, showed a
11:23
special talent for making those leaps. His
11:26
clumsy hands, as soon as they touched the lunar surface,
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he was always the first to jump from the ladder,
11:31
suddenly became deft and sensitive.
11:33
They found immediately the spot where he could
11:35
hoist himself up. In fact,
11:38
just the pressure of his palm seemed enough
11:40
to make him stick to the satellite's crust.
11:43
Once I even thought I saw the moon come toward
11:45
him as he held out his hands. He
11:49
was just as dexterous and coming back
11:51
down to Earth, an operation still more
11:53
difficult. For us, it
11:55
consisted in jumping as high as we
11:57
could, our arms upraised, seen
11:59
from the moon that day. is because seen from the earth
12:01
it looked more like a dive or like swimming
12:03
downwards, arms at our sides. Like
12:06
jumping up from the earth, in other words, only
12:08
now we were without the ladder because there was
12:10
nothing to profit against on the moon. But
12:13
instead of jumping with his arms out, my cousin bent
12:15
toward the moon's surface, his head down as if for
12:17
a somersault, then made a leap,
12:19
pushing with his hands. From
12:22
the boat we watched him, erect
12:24
in the air as if he were supporting
12:26
the moon's enormous ball and were tossing it,
12:28
striking it with his palms. Then
12:31
when his legs came within reach, we managed to grab his
12:33
ankles and pull him down on board. Now
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you will ask me what in the world we went up
12:39
on the moon for. I'll
12:42
explain it to you. We went
12:44
to collect milk with
12:47
a big spoon and a bucket. Moon
12:49
milk was very thick, like a kind
12:52
of cream cheese. It
12:57
formed in the crevices between one scale
12:59
and the next, through the fermentation of
13:01
various bodies and substances of terrestrial
13:03
origin which had flown up from the
13:05
prairies and forests and lakes as the
13:07
moon sailed over them. It
13:10
was composed chiefly of
13:13
vegetable juices, tadpoles, bicumen,
13:15
lentils, honey, starch crystals,
13:17
sturgeon eggs, molds, pollens,
13:19
gelatinous matter, worms, resins,
13:22
pepper, mineral salts, combustion
13:24
residue. You
13:26
had only to dip the spoon under the scales
13:28
that covered the moon's scabby terrain and you brought
13:31
it out filled with that precious muck. Not
13:34
in the pure state, obviously. There was
13:37
a lot of refuse in the fermentation which
13:39
took place as the moon passed over the
13:41
expanses of hot air above the deserts, not
13:43
all the bodies melted. Some
13:46
remained stuck in it, fingernails
13:49
and cartilage, bolts, seahorses, nuts and
13:51
peduncles, shards of crockery, fish hooks,
13:53
at times even a comb. So
13:58
this paste, after it was collected, was made in the had
14:00
to be refined, filtered. But
14:02
that wasn't the difficulty. The hard part was transporting
14:05
it down to the earth. This is how we
14:07
did it. We hurled each
14:09
spoonful into the air with both
14:11
hands using the spoon as a
14:13
catapult. The cheese
14:15
flew, and if we had thrown it hard
14:18
enough, it stuck to the ceiling. I
14:20
mean, the surface of the sea. Once
14:23
there, it floated, and it was easy enough to pull it into the
14:25
boat. In this operation, too,
14:27
my deaf cousin displayed a special gift.
14:30
He had a strength and a good aim. With
14:32
a single sharp throw, he could send the cheese
14:34
straight into a bucket we held up to him from the
14:36
boat. As
14:40
for me, I occasionally misfired. The
14:43
contents of the spoon would often fail to overcome the
14:45
moon's attraction and would fall back into my
14:48
eyes. I still haven't told
14:50
you everything about the things my cousin was good at. That
14:54
job of extracting lunar milk from the
14:56
moon's scales was child's play to him.
14:59
Instead of the spoon, at times, he had only to thrust
15:01
his bare hand under the scales or even one finger. He
15:06
didn't proceed in any orderly way, but went
15:08
to isolated places, jumping from one to the
15:10
other, as if he were playing tricks on
15:12
the moon, surprising her or
15:14
perhaps tickling her. And
15:16
wherever he put his hand, the milk spurted out
15:18
as if from a nanny goat's tits. So
15:21
the rest of us had only to follow him and collect
15:23
with our spoons the substance that he was pressing out.
15:26
First here, then there, but always as if by chance,
15:29
since the Death Ones' movements seem to have no clear,
15:31
practical sense. There
15:34
were places, for example, that he
15:36
touched merely for the fun of touching them. Gaps
15:39
between two scales, naked
15:42
and tender folds of lunar
15:44
flesh. At times,
15:46
my cousin pressed not only his fingers, but
15:49
in a carefully gauged leap, his big
15:52
toe. He climbed
15:54
onto the moon barefoot, and this seemed to be the height
15:56
of amusement for him. If we could
15:58
judge by the chirping sounds that came out of it, from his
16:00
throat as he went on leaping. The
16:04
soil of the moon was not uniformly
16:06
scaly, but revealed irregular bare patches of
16:09
pale, slippery clay. These
16:12
soft areas inspired the deaf one to turn
16:14
somersaults or to fly almost like a bird
16:16
as if he wanted to impress his whole
16:18
body into the moon's pulp. As
16:22
he ventured farther on his way, we lost sight of
16:24
him at one point. On
16:26
the moon there were vast areas we had
16:28
never had any reason or curiosity to explore,
16:30
and that was where
16:32
my cousin vanished. I
16:35
suspected all those somersaults and nudges
16:37
he indulged in before our eyes
16:39
were only a preparation, a
16:41
prelude to something secret meant to take
16:43
place in the hidden zone. We
16:47
fell into a special mood on those nights off
16:49
the zinc cliffs, gay but with
16:52
a touch of suspense as if
16:54
inside our skulls instead of the brain we
16:56
felt a fish floating, attracted
16:58
by the moon. And
17:01
so we navigated, playing and singing. The
17:04
captain's wife played the harp. She had
17:06
very long arms, silvery as eels, on
17:09
those nights and armpits as dark and
17:11
mysterious as sea urchins, and
17:13
the sound of the harp was sweet and piercing. So
17:16
sweet and piercing it was almost unbearable,
17:19
and we were forced to let out long cries not
17:23
so much to accompany the music as
17:25
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17:28
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Medusas rose to the sea's surface,
19:17
throbbed there a moment then flew
19:19
off swaying toward the moon. Little
19:23
Lexelixx amused herself by
19:25
catching them in midair though it
19:27
wasn't easy. Once as
19:29
she stretched her little arms out to catch one,
19:31
she jumped up slightly and was also set free.
19:34
Then, thin as she was, she was an
19:36
ounce or two short of the weight necessary
19:38
for the earth's gravity to overcome the moon's
19:41
attraction and bring her back. So
19:43
she flew up among the Medusas suspended over
19:45
the sea. She took
19:47
fright, cried and laughed and started
19:49
playing catching shellfish and minnows as
19:52
they flew, sticking some into her mouth and
19:54
chewing them. We rode hard
19:56
to keep up with the child. The
19:58
moon ran off in her lips. dragging
20:00
that swarm of marine fauna through the
20:03
sky, and a train
20:05
of long-entwined seaweeds and
20:07
exolytics hanging there in the midst. Her
20:10
two wispy braids seemed to be flying on
20:12
their own, outstretched toward the
20:14
moon. But all the
20:16
while, she kept wriggling and kicking at the air
20:19
as if she wanted to fight that influence, and
20:21
her socks, she had lost her shoes in the flight, slipped
20:24
off her feet and swayed, attracted
20:26
by the Earth force. On
20:29
the latter, we tried to grab them. The
20:33
idea of eating little animals in the air had been a
20:35
good one. The more
20:37
weight exolytics gained, the more she sank
20:39
toward the Earth. In
20:42
fact, since among those hovering
20:45
bodies, hers was the largest mollusks
20:47
and seaweeds and plankton began to
20:49
gravitate about her. Soon,
20:52
the child was covered with
20:54
salicious little shells, chitinous carapaces,
20:57
and fibers of seaweeds. And
20:59
the farther she vanished into that tangle, the
21:02
more she was freed of the moon's influence
21:04
until she grazed the surface of the water and
21:06
sank into the sea. We
21:09
rode quickly to pull her out and save her. Her
21:12
body had remained magnetized, and we had to work
21:14
hard to scrape off all the things encrusted on
21:16
her. Tender corals were
21:18
round about her head, and every time we ran
21:21
the comb through her hair, there was a shower
21:23
of crayfish and sardines. Her
21:25
eyes were sealed shut by limpets clinging to
21:27
the lids with their suckers. Squids,
21:30
tentacles were coiled around her arms and
21:32
her neck, and her little dress now
21:34
seemed woven only of weeds and sponges.
21:38
We got the worst of it off her, but
21:40
for weeks afterwards, she went on pulling
21:42
out fins and shells, and her skin
21:44
dotted with little diatoms remained affected forever,
21:47
looking to someone who didn't observe her
21:49
carefully as if it were faintly
21:51
dusted with freckles. This
21:54
should give you an idea of how the
21:57
influences of Earth and Moon practically equal thought
21:59
over... the space between them. I'll
22:02
tell you something else. A body
22:04
that descended to the Earth from a satellite
22:07
was still charged for a while with lunar
22:09
force and rejected the attraction of our world.
22:12
Even I, big and heavy as I was, every time
22:14
I had been up there, I
22:16
took a while to get used to the Earth's ups
22:18
and its downs, and the others would have to grab
22:21
my arms and hold me, clinging in
22:23
a bunch in the swaying boat while I
22:25
still had my head hanging and my legs
22:27
stretching up towards the sky. "'Hold
22:30
on to us, hold on to us,' they shouted at
22:32
me, and in all that groping
22:34
sometimes I ended up by seizing one
22:36
of Mrs. Vahidvidvid's breasts, which
22:39
were round and firm, and the contact
22:41
was good and secure, and had an
22:44
attraction as strong as the moon's, or
22:46
even stronger, especially if I managed, as
22:48
I plunged down, to put my other
22:51
arm around her hips. And
22:53
with this I passed back into our world
22:55
and fell with a thud into the bottom
22:57
of the boat, where Captain Vahidvidvid brought me
22:59
around, throwing a bucket of water in
23:01
my face. This
23:04
is how the story of my love
23:06
for the captain's wife began, and
23:08
my suffering. Because
23:11
it didn't take me long to realize whom
23:13
the lady kept looking at insistently. When
23:15
my cousin's hands clasped the satellite,
23:17
I watched Mrs. Vahidvidvid end
23:20
in her eyes. I could read the thoughts that
23:23
the deaf man's familiarity with the moon
23:25
were arousing in her. And
23:28
when he disappeared in his mysterious lunar
23:30
explorations, I saw her become restless as
23:32
if on pins and needles. And
23:35
it was all clear to me how Mrs.
23:37
Vahidvid had become jealous of the moon, and
23:40
I was jealous of my cousin. Her
23:43
eyes were made of diamonds, Mrs.
23:45
Vahidvidvid's. They flared
23:48
when she looked at the moon almost
23:50
challengingly, as if she were saying, You
23:52
shan't have him. And
23:54
I felt like an outsider,
23:59
the one who who least understood all of this
24:01
was my deaf cousin. When
24:04
we helped him down, pulling him, as I explained to you,
24:06
by his legs, Mrs. Vahidvid lost
24:08
all her self-control, doing everything she
24:10
could to take his weight against
24:12
her own body, folding her long,
24:14
silvery arms around him. I
24:16
felt a pang in my heart. The
24:19
times I clung to her, her body was soft
24:21
and kind, but not thrust forward the way
24:23
it was with my cousin, while
24:25
he was indifferent, still lost, in his
24:27
lunar bliss. I
24:30
looked at the captain, wondering if he also
24:32
noticed his wife's behavior, but there was never
24:34
a trace of any expression on that face
24:36
of his eaten by brine marked with tarry
24:38
wrinkles. Since the death one
24:40
was always the last to break away from the moon,
24:42
his return was the signal for the boats to move
24:45
off. Then with an
24:47
unusually polite gesture, Vahidvidvid picked up the harp
24:49
from the bottom of the boat and handed
24:51
it to his wife. She
24:53
was obliged to take it and play a few notes. Everything
24:56
could separate her more from the death one than
24:58
the sound of the harp. I
25:01
took to singing in a low voice that
25:03
sad song that goes, Every
25:05
shiny fish is floating, floating,
25:08
and every dark fish is at the bottom, at
25:10
the bottom of the sea. And
25:13
all the others, except my cousin, echoed
25:15
my words. Every
25:18
month, once the satellite had moved on, the
25:20
death one returned to his solitary detachment from
25:22
the things of the world. After
25:25
the approach of the full moon aroused him again,
25:29
that time I had arranged things so it wasn't my turn
25:31
to go up. I could stay in the
25:33
boat with the captain's wife. But
25:35
then, as soon as my cousin had climbed the
25:38
ladder, Mrs. Vahidvid said, This time
25:40
I want to go up there too. This
25:43
had never happened before. The
25:45
captain's wife had never gone up on the moon. But
25:49
Vahidvid made no objection. In
25:52
fact, he almost pushed her up the ladder
25:54
bodily exclaiming, Go ahead then! And
25:58
we all started helping her. I held
26:00
her from behind and felt
26:03
her round and soft on
26:05
my arms and had
26:08
to hold her up. I began to press my face and
26:10
the palms of my hands against her. When
26:13
I felt her rising into the moon's sphere,
26:15
I was heart sick at that lost contact.
26:18
So I started to rush after her, saying, I'm
26:21
going to go up for a while too to
26:24
help out. As
26:27
I was held back as if in a vice, you
26:30
stay here, you have work to do later, the captain
26:32
commanded without raising his voice. At
26:35
that moment, each one's intentions were
26:37
already clear. And
26:39
yet I couldn't figure things out. Even
26:42
now, I'm not sure I've interpreted it all correctly.
26:45
Certainly the captain's wife had for a long time
26:48
been cherishing the desire to go off privately with
26:50
my cousin up there, or at least to prevent
26:52
him from going off alone with the moon. But
26:55
probably she had a still more ambitious
26:57
plan, one that would
27:00
have to be carried out in agreement with the death one.
27:03
She wanted the two of them to hide up there
27:05
together and stay on the moon for
27:07
a month. But
27:09
perhaps my cousin, death as he was, hadn't understood
27:11
anything of what she had tried to explain
27:13
to him. Or perhaps he
27:15
hadn't even realized that he was the object
27:18
of the lady's desires. And
27:21
the captain, he wanted nothing better
27:23
than to be rid of his wife. In
27:26
fact, as soon as she was confined up
27:28
there, we saw him give free reign to
27:30
his inclinations and plunge into vice. And
27:33
then we understood why he had done nothing to
27:35
hold her back. But
27:38
had he known from the beginning that
27:40
the moon's orbit was widening, none
27:43
of us could have suspected it. The
27:46
death one, perhaps, but only he, and
27:49
the shadowy way he knew things. He
27:52
may have had a pre-sentiment
27:54
that he would be forced to bid the moon
27:56
farewell that night. This
27:58
is why he hid in his secret place. and
28:00
reappeared only when it was time to come back
28:02
down on board. It
28:04
was no use for the captain's wife to try to follow him.
28:08
We saw her across the scaly zone
28:10
various times, length and breadth. Then suddenly
28:12
she stopped looking at us in the
28:14
boat, as if about to ask us
28:16
whether we had seen him. Surely
28:19
there was something strange about that night. The
28:22
sea's surface, instead of being taut as it was
28:24
during the full moon, even arched
28:26
a bit toward the sky, now seemed limp,
28:30
sagging as if the lunar magnet no
28:32
longer exercised its full power. And
28:35
the light, too, wasn't the same as the light
28:37
of other full moons. The
28:40
night's shadows seemed somehow to have thickened.
28:43
Our friends up there must have realized what was
28:45
happening. In fact, they looked up
28:47
at us with frightened eyes, and
28:49
from their mouths and ours at the same moment came
28:52
a cry, the moon's going
28:54
away. The
28:57
cry hadn't died out when my cousin appeared
28:59
on the moon, running. He
29:01
didn't seem frightened or even amazed. He
29:04
placed his hands on the terrain, flinging
29:06
himself into his usual somersault. But
29:09
this time, after he hurled himself into the air,
29:12
he remained suspended as little
29:14
Exalictic's head. He
29:16
hovered a moment between moon and earth upside down, and
29:19
then laboriously moving his arms like someone swimming
29:21
against a current, he headed
29:23
with unusual slowness toward our planet.
29:28
From the moon, the other sailors hastened to
29:30
follow his example. Nobody gave
29:32
a thought to getting the moon milk that had been collected
29:34
into the boats, nor did the
29:36
captain scold them for this. They had
29:38
already waited too long. The distance
29:40
was difficult to cross by now. When
29:43
they tried to imitate my cousin's leap
29:45
for his swimming, they remained there groping,
29:48
suspended in midair. Cling together, idiots! Cling
29:50
together! the captain yelled. At
29:52
this command, the sailors tried to form a group, a mass,
29:55
to push all together until they reached the zone
29:57
of the earth's attraction. All
30:00
of a sudden, a cascade of bodies
30:02
plunged into the sea with a loud
30:04
splash. The
30:06
boats were now rowing to pick them up.
30:08
Wait! The captain's wife is missing, I shouted.
30:11
The captain's wife had also tried to jump,
30:14
but she was still floating only a few
30:16
yards from the moon, slowly moving her long,
30:18
silvery arms in the air. I
30:21
climbed up the ladder, and in a vain attempt to
30:23
give her something to grasp, I held the harp out
30:25
toward her. I can't reach her. We
30:27
have to go after her. And I
30:29
started to jump up, brandishing the harp. Above
30:33
me, the enormous lunar disk no longer seemed
30:35
the same as before. It had
30:37
become much smaller. It kept
30:39
contracting, as if my gaze
30:41
were driving it away, and the emptied
30:43
sky gaped like an abyss where at
30:45
the bottom the stars had begun multiplying,
30:47
and the night poured a river of
30:50
emptiness over me, drowned me
30:52
in dizziness and alarm. I'm
30:55
afraid, I thought. I'm too
30:57
afraid to jump. I'm a coward. And
30:59
at that moment I jumped. I
31:02
swam furiously through the sky and held the
31:04
harp out to her. And
31:06
instead of coming toward me, she rolled
31:08
over and over, showing me first her
31:10
impassive face and then her backside.
31:14
Hold tight to me, I shouted, and
31:17
I was already overtaking her, entwining my limbs
31:19
with hers. If we cling together, we can
31:21
go down. I was
31:23
concentrating all my strength on uniting myself
31:25
more closely with her. And
31:27
I concentrated my sensations as I enjoyed
31:30
the fullness of that embrace. I
31:33
was so absorbed, I didn't realize at
31:35
first, that I was indeed tearing her
31:37
from her weightless condition but was
31:39
making her fall back on the moon. Didn't
31:42
I realize it? Or had
31:44
that been my intention from the very beginning? Before
31:48
I could think properly, a cry was already
31:50
bursting from my throat. I'll
31:53
be the one to stay with you for a month, or
31:56
rather on you, I Shouted
31:59
in my excitement. On you for
32:01
a month. And
32:03
at that moment are embrace was broken
32:06
by our fall to the moon's surface
32:08
where we rolled away from each other
32:10
among those colds scales. I
32:13
raised my eyes as I did every time
32:15
I touched the moon's crest. sure that I
32:17
would see above me, the native seem. Like.
32:19
An endless ceiling. And I saw
32:21
yes I saw this time to
32:24
that much higher. Much. More
32:26
narrow, Bound. By its
32:28
borders of coasts and cliffs and promontory.
32:31
And. Have small the boat seemed. Allen
32:34
Familiar my friends faces an hour week,
32:36
their cries, A. Sound
32:38
reach me from nearby misses. The hit
32:40
the hit had discovered her harper and
32:42
was caressing it. Sketching. Out
32:44
accord as sad as weeping.
32:49
Along month began. The.
32:52
Moon turns slowly around the earth.
32:55
On. The suspended globe we no longer
32:57
sar familiar source but the passage
32:59
of oceans as deep as a
33:01
business and deserts to blowing the
33:03
pill I and continents of ice
33:06
and forest rising with reptiles and
33:08
the rocky walls of mountain chains
33:10
gas by swift rivers and swampy
33:12
cities and stone graveyards and empires
33:14
of play in mud. The.
33:17
Distance but a uniform color over
33:19
everything. The. Alien perspectives
33:21
made every image alien. Herds
33:24
of elephants and swarms of locusts
33:26
ran over the planes so evenly
33:28
vast and dance and thickly grown
33:30
that there was no difference among
33:32
them. I should have been
33:34
happy. As I dreamed I
33:36
was alone with her bad intimacy
33:38
with the moon I had so
33:41
often envied my cousins and with
33:43
Mrs. the hit hits was now
33:45
my exclusive prerogative. A month of
33:47
days and Lunar night stretched on
33:49
interrupted before us. The. Crust of
33:51
the satellite nourished us with it's
33:53
milk start. Flavor was familiar to
33:56
us. We. raised our eyes up
33:58
to the world where we had been born Finally,
34:01
traversed in all its various expanse,
34:03
explored landscapes no earth being had ever
34:06
seen or else we
34:08
contemplated the stars beyond the moon, big
34:10
as pieces of fruit made of light
34:12
ripened on the curved branches of the
34:14
sky, and everything exceeded
34:17
my most luminous hopes. And
34:20
yet, and
34:22
yet it was instead exile.
34:27
I thought only of the earth. It
34:29
was the earth that caused each of
34:31
us to be that someone he was
34:33
rather than someone else up there, rested
34:35
from the earth. It
34:38
was as if I were no longer that
34:40
I nor she that she for me. I
34:43
was eager to return to the earth and
34:45
I trembled at the fear of having lost it. The
34:48
fulfillment of my dream of love had
34:51
lasted only that instant when we had
34:53
been united, spinning between earth and moon,
34:55
torn from its earthly soil. My
34:58
love now knew only the heart-rending nostalgia
35:00
for what it lacked. Aware
35:03
a surrounding, a before,
35:06
an after. This
35:09
is what I was feeling, but she,
35:11
as I asked myself,
35:14
I was torn by my fears. Because
35:17
if she also thought only of the earth, this could
35:19
be a good sign, a sign
35:21
that she had finally come to understand me. But
35:24
it could also mean that everything had been useless,
35:26
that her longings were directed still
35:29
and only toward my deaf cousin. Instead
35:33
she felt nothing. She
35:35
never raised her eyes to the old planet. She
35:38
went off, pale among those wastelands,
35:40
mumbling dirges and stroking her harp,
35:43
as if completely identified
35:45
with her temporary, as I thought,
35:47
lunar state. Did
35:50
this mean I had won out over my rival?
35:53
No, I had lost a
35:56
hopeless defeat, because she had
35:58
finally realized that my cousin loved only
36:00
the moon, and the only
36:02
thing she wanted now was to become the
36:04
moon, to be assimilated
36:07
into the object of that extra
36:09
human love. When
36:12
the moon had completed its circling of the planet,
36:14
there we were again over the zinc cliffs. I
36:18
recognized them with dismay, not
36:20
even in my darkest provisions, and I thought the
36:22
distance would have made them so tiny. In
36:25
that mud puddle of the sea, my
36:27
friends had set forth again, without
36:29
the now useless ladders, but
36:32
from the boat rose a kind of
36:34
forest of long poles. Everybody
36:36
was brandishing one, with a harpoon or
36:39
a grappling hook at the end, perhaps in the
36:41
hope of scraping off a last bit of moon
36:43
milk or of lending some kind of
36:45
help to us wretches up there. But
36:48
it was soon clear that no pole was long enough
36:50
to reach the moon, and they
36:52
dropped back ridiculously short, humbled, floating
36:55
on the sea, and in that
36:57
confusion some of the boats were thrown off
36:59
balance and overturned. But
37:01
just then, from another vessel, a longer
37:03
pole, which till then had been
37:05
dragged along on the water's surface, began to
37:07
rise. It must have
37:09
been made a bamboo of many, many bamboo poles
37:12
stuck one into the other, and to
37:14
raise it they had to go slowly, because thin as
37:16
it was, if they let it sway too
37:18
much it might break. Therefore,
37:21
they had to use it with great strength
37:23
and skill, so that the wholly vertical weight
37:25
wouldn't rock the boat. Suddenly
37:28
it was clear that the tip of that pole would touch
37:30
the moon. And we
37:32
saw it graze, then press against the scaly
37:34
terrain, rest there a minute, give a kind
37:36
of little push, or rather a strong push,
37:38
that made it bounce off again, then come
37:41
back and strike that same spot as if
37:43
on the rebound, then move away once more.
37:46
And I recognized, we both, the
37:48
captain's wife and I, recognized my
37:51
cousin. It couldn't
37:53
have been anyone else. He was
37:55
playing his last game with the moon, one
37:57
of his tricks with the moon on the tip of his pole, as
38:00
if he were juggling with her. And
38:03
we realized that his virtuosity had no
38:05
purpose, aimed at no
38:07
practical result. Indeed, you would have said he was
38:10
driving the moon away, that he
38:12
was helping her departure, that he wanted to
38:14
show her to a more distant orbit. And
38:17
this, too, was just like him. He
38:19
was unable to conceive desires that went against
38:22
the moon's nature, the moon's
38:24
course and destiny. And if
38:26
the moon now tended to go away from him, then
38:28
he would take delight in this separation, just
38:30
as, till now, he had delighted in the
38:33
moon's nearness. What
38:35
could Mrs. Vahid Vahid do in the face of this?
38:38
It was only at this moment that she proved her
38:40
passion for the deaf man hadn't
38:42
been a frivolous whim, but an
38:45
irrevocable vow. If
38:48
what my cousin now loved was the distant
38:50
moon, then she, too, would remain distant
38:53
on the moon. I
38:55
sensed this, seeing that she didn't
38:57
take a step toward the bamboo pole, but
38:59
simply turned her harp toward the earth, high
39:01
in the sky, and plucked the strings. I
39:05
say I saw her, but to tell the truth, I only caught a glimpse
39:07
of her out of the corner of my eye, because
39:10
the minute the pole had touched the lunar crust, I
39:12
had sprung and grasped it, and now, fast as a
39:14
snake, I was climbing up the bamboo
39:16
knots, pushing myself along with jerks
39:18
of my arms and knees, light
39:21
in the rarefied space, driven by a natural
39:23
power that ordered me to return to the
39:25
earth, oblivious of the
39:27
motive that had brought me here, but
39:30
perhaps more aware of it than ever, and
39:32
of its unfortunate outcome. And
39:34
already my climb up the swaying pole had reached the point
39:38
where I no longer had to make any effort, but
39:40
could just allow myself to slide, head first,
39:43
attracted by the earth, until in
39:45
my haste, the pole broke into a thousand pieces,
39:49
and I fell into the sea among the boats. My
39:53
return was sweet, my
39:55
home refound, but
39:58
my thoughts were filled only with grief
40:00
it happened. having lost her, and my
40:02
eyes gazed at the moon forever beyond
40:04
my reach as I sought her. And
40:07
I saw her. She was there
40:09
where I had left her, lying on a
40:11
beach, directly over our heads, and
40:13
she said nothing. She
40:16
was the color of the moon. She
40:18
held the harp at her side, and moved
40:20
one hand now and then in slow arpeggios.
40:24
I could distinguish the shape of her bosom, her
40:26
arms, her thighs. Just
40:29
as I remember them now, just as now,
40:32
when the moon has become that flat,
40:34
remote circle, I still look
40:36
for her as soon as the first
40:38
sliver appears in the sky. And
40:40
the more it waxes, the more clearly I imagine
40:43
I can see her, or something of
40:45
her. But only her, in
40:48
a hundred, a thousand different vistas.
40:51
She who makes the moon the
40:53
moon, and whenever she is full, sets
40:56
the dogs to howling all night
40:58
long, and me with them.
41:18
So we have Schreiber reading the Distance
41:20
of the Moon by Italo Calvino on
41:22
the Selected Shorts show. You can find
41:25
more Selected Shorts, including this
41:27
story, as well as upcoming
41:30
live events at symphoniespace.org/Selected Shorts.
41:33
And big thanks to Sarah Montague,
41:35
Catherine Minton, and Beatty Wong for making
41:37
that evening possible. And to
41:40
Leah Schreiber and to you for listening.
41:42
I'm Lulu Miller. We'll see you and the
41:45
moon next time. Hi,
41:52
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41:54
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For just $3, mix and match two of
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your favorite breakfast items, including a sausage
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McMuffin. you
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can't go wrong. Price and participation may
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vary.
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