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Let's do this, everybody. Let's go on

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a trip, shall we? Let's

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take off. We're going somewhere. You're not going to

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like it at all, Jimmy. No. New Mexico. Not

7:38

a fan. Your least favorite state. It's

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a bad place. Being born in Colorado and

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then growing up in Arizona. It's also like

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a local thing. So it's the state below

7:46

you and east of you and you're going

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to hate it there. And also it's

7:51

a miserable shit hole. So you add those two things

7:53

together. It's the

7:55

same the whole time. You really get something.

7:57

This is in South Central New Mexico. It's

8:00

down there closer to the border than to

8:02

Albuquerque, put it that way. It's

8:05

about three hours to Albuquerque, two

8:08

hours to our last episode, which was Fort Sumner,

8:10

New Mexico, the last one we did in the

8:12

state, episode 466, no remorse, plenty of

8:15

stupid was the name of that one. This

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is in Lincoln County, which you've probably

8:19

heard of because there was the Lincoln County

8:21

Wars was a big thing back then. So we'll talk

8:23

a little bit about that in the history. And

8:26

area code here 575. Did you say the name? Did

8:28

you say the name? Hondo, yeah,

8:30

Hondo, New Mexico. You didn't say it yet. Oh,

8:33

I said it at the top and then when it says

8:35

Hondo, New Mexico, Hondo with an O instead of a name.

8:37

Yeah. There you go. That's the

8:40

name of my mom's dog. Hondo? Yeah.

8:43

Okay. Because of a John Wayne movie.

8:45

Interesting. Do you know what it means?

8:47

It means John Wayne was in it. Yes.

8:50

That's actually the exact, that's how the

8:53

Spanish came up with that hundreds of years ago knowing

8:55

about John Wayne's future, which is pretty remarkable, I got

8:57

to say, for any kind of culture to come up

9:00

with that. The county was named

9:02

after Abraham Lincoln and it

9:04

was once the largest county

9:06

in the United States. Wow. Not

9:09

in people, but in land. Covering the whole state. Yeah.

9:11

A lot of these too. In southwestern Arizona, we

9:14

went over this in a bonus episode about Doc

9:16

Holiday and stuff. It was the

9:18

hugest, huge county. It was

9:20

the whole southwestern part of Arizona was

9:22

one county back in the day here. This

9:25

became the site for the Lincoln

9:27

County War in 1870s between

9:29

ranchers and the owners of the county's

9:31

largest general store. That was the beat.

9:34

This is Jesse James' shit, right? This is Billy the

9:36

Kid. This is Billy the Kid. Became

9:38

involved on the side of the ranchers after his

9:40

friend was killed. That's how this happened. If you've

9:42

ever seen Young Guns, it's loosely

9:45

factually sort of accurate. In

9:47

the back, God damn it. At least how it all

9:49

builds up is kind of factually accurate and then it

9:52

becomes dramatic at the end. It's

9:54

like teenage boys fighting for an old man. That's how

9:56

it goes. It's kind of weird. It's a little bit

9:58

strange. It's kind of like the boy

10:01

band documentary there, except

10:04

that this old man didn't have a fucking Ponzi

10:06

scheme going on on the side too. In

10:09

the end Justin Timberlake just gets a DUI.

10:12

That's it. That's the end. It's a big

10:14

ending. That's the craziest documentary of all time

10:16

because I've never watched a documentary and went

10:18

no molestation at all? What the fuck? I

10:21

was expecting it. I'm upset. I

10:23

was expecting it. I was braced for it.

10:25

I was braced to hear about Lance Bass

10:28

getting nuts tickled by an old man. Never

10:30

happened. Weird. I wanted

10:32

to feel pity for Chris Kirkpatrick. Now I have none. I

10:34

have none. I couldn't do

10:36

it. I couldn't do it. In the end Billy

10:39

the Kid killed the county sheriff and

10:41

a deputy also that killed his friend

10:46

too. He got his revenge there and

10:49

that's how that went. People

10:51

in this town in the whole area

10:53

there's about a thousand but they say

10:55

the population I guess of the town proper is 459.

11:00

This is some out there shit. Tiny.

11:03

Tiny. There's nothing here. I mean it's

11:05

really not a lot of anything going on. A

11:07

few more females and males about average. Median

11:10

age here is well above the national average.

11:13

It's 37 in the rest of the country here. It's 59.7

11:15

is the median age. Wow.

11:19

Almost 60. There's no one in

11:22

the age groups of zero to four. There's

11:24

no babies. Not babies. 15

11:26

to 17. Wow. 18 to 20. 21

11:29

to 24. 25 to 34 or 45 to 54. Wow.

11:35

No one. So there's some kids aged

11:37

five to 14 and then everyone else

11:40

is over 55. So I don't

11:42

know how the hell that happened but that's

11:44

what's going on here. It's a small.

11:46

Anytime you're under a thousand the stats can

11:48

get real wacky. And there's probably

11:50

not a lot of those youthful ones

11:53

in the average age is 50 something.

11:55

No. A couple. Their

11:57

parents died. They came to live with their grandparents

11:59

or something. That's all it is. It's 78%

12:01

married. It's usually 50-50

12:03

in this country. 8.3%

12:07

divorced here, so there's like no divorce

12:09

either. It's very

12:11

strange here. This town has

12:13

only white people and Mexican people. There's

12:15

nobody else. That's it. It's 33.3% white,

12:17

66.7% Hispanic. Done.

12:22

That's it. It's only the people that

12:24

are here. Unemployment rate

12:26

here is pretty high. That's 8.8%, which

12:28

is like double the national average here.

12:31

Median household income here, wow,

12:33

not terrific. $40,977

12:35

is the median household income. It's about

12:37

$69,000 in the rest of the country.

12:41

People are hurting here. What are you doing

12:43

here? Well, people are either very wealthy and

12:45

own giant ranches or they're poor and they

12:47

work on those ranches. That's the only people

12:49

that live here. That's

12:52

it. The ranch hands,

12:54

those are a lot of older people from

12:56

what I've discovered from this. They've got to

12:58

be. It's

13:00

not a thing that a lot of kids are like, I'm

13:02

going to be a ranch hand. That's just kind of an

13:04

older profession. It

13:06

tends to be older guys and the older people you hire

13:09

because they tend to know what they're doing more with

13:11

everything. Cost of

13:13

living here, 100 is regular average

13:15

here. It's 89. Now,

13:17

housing is the cheap thing. Housing cheaper. The median

13:20

home cost is $309,000 here, which is below the

13:22

average, but there's no real houses

13:28

that cost that is the problem,

13:30

as we'll find out with our

13:32

Hondo New Mexico real

13:34

estate report. The

13:42

average two bedroom rental here, which there's no

13:44

apartment complexes or anything, so I don't know

13:46

where that's coming from. It's like

13:48

a half address somewhere? It's

13:51

770, which is well below the national average. Here's

13:55

a three bed, two bath, 1,568 foot shitty manufacturing.

14:00

home. But it's on three acres.

14:03

All these properties come with acres. That's

14:05

the thing too. So you can't get just

14:07

like a house on a quarter acre. That

14:10

doesn't exist here. You have to buy

14:12

acreage. No tract homes. No tract homes. No,

14:14

no cul-de-sacs or neighborhoods, so to speak. It's

14:17

an outdated manufactured home.

14:20

I mean, what do you want? It's someone's

14:22

old carpeting in there. That's what

14:24

I don't like is when there's carpeting.

14:26

I don't want to, I don't want

14:28

to like sit on my living

14:30

room floor and smell your feet from like the previous owner.

14:32

I don't want that. I don't know what you did on

14:35

that floor. I don't want carpet in the house at all.

14:37

No. Roll up your rugs and throw them out.

14:39

Gross. We'll mop and now your DNA's

14:41

not in here. Yeah, put some fucking flooring down and

14:44

bleach it. Please, the love of

14:46

God. So this place, $325,000 for

14:48

that though. Jesus

14:51

Christ. For a shitty manufactured home, but you

14:53

get three acres of land. That's

14:55

not worth it, is it? I would say

14:57

not. Not unless you want to build

14:59

a new house probably. Here's a three bedroom,

15:02

two bath, 1,646 square foot house.

15:04

So not that big. It's a little ranch.

15:07

It's a little, it even has like the, you know,

15:09

the little gate entrance there, but there's no sign above

15:12

it that says what ranch is. You get to name it. You

15:14

get to name it yourself. It's just got a bar across it.

15:17

It is on 10 acres, which is nice. You

15:19

got 700 feet of riverfront

15:22

as well. This is great.

15:24

Abuts the river. That's nice. It's not

15:26

bad. It's kind of ugly inside. There's

15:28

definitely some shit that needs to be updated, but who

15:30

gives a shit? $685,000 for that though. Again, steep.

15:37

It's expensive. Yeah, but I guess if the outdoor

15:39

life is your thing and you want to be

15:42

out here living outdoors, that's not that bad for

15:44

10 acres on the river, I guess,

15:46

you know? There's a

15:48

three bedroom, three bath table for each and every B

15:50

hole right here. 3,674 square

15:54

foot house. It is on buckle up

15:57

570 acres. That's

16:01

a fuckload of land. That's too much land.

16:03

You couldn't even get to all that land

16:05

all the time. What's the point? I

16:08

look at Zillow from time to time and out their places

16:10

and I've found a few that have several

16:12

hundred acres. I

16:14

think about how wild that could be. But if

16:17

something happens on the property you gotta go do it. I'm

16:20

not gonna use all that land. What

16:22

am I fucking building a multi-sports

16:25

complex out there? I'm gonna put a football

16:27

stadium on underneath that much land. I'd be

16:29

confused if I was actually on my property

16:31

or not. Who the hell would know anymore?

16:33

I don't even know if I'm in America

16:35

anymore. Where the fuck am I? Some out

16:37

there. This place, 570 acres.

16:39

It's on a mountain side too so you own

16:41

like a mountain behind you and shit. You're

16:44

selling your property straight up. It's interesting. It's

16:46

not bad as far as the house goes.

16:48

Inside it's pretty nice. It's updated. These people

16:50

are pretty... They have a few bucks that

16:52

live here. You could tell but there's a

16:55

bunch of outbuildings. There's a weird tower

16:58

thing. Like you're in the 1800s

17:00

and you're watching out for the Apache I think.

17:02

It's one of those? It's what it seems like

17:04

but the house wasn't that old so it maybe

17:06

was built as like a replica of an old

17:08

house type of thing. Or maybe that thing is

17:10

still there and the old house is gone. That's

17:12

true too. I'm not sure but this house is $1,990,000.

17:14

For 500 acres? 570 acres. Almost

17:21

600. I mean if you got

17:23

that kind of money and you're looking for space it's not

17:25

a bad deal. It's the most affordable

17:27

acreage I've ever heard of. That's what I mean.

17:29

That's a shitload here. Things to do in this

17:31

town. Oh boy. Let's find out what

17:33

they have to do in a town of 500 people. What

17:36

could you possibly do? Well there's

17:38

the Hondo Fiesta and Enchilada dinner.

17:41

Oh baby. I'm in. Yeah. Okay. I

17:43

like it. Join the celebration

17:45

of the 70th anniversary of

17:48

this Hondo tradition. Enjoy an

17:50

evening filled with outstanding performances

17:52

from... Uh-huh. Fill in the

17:54

blank ad lib here. From Adlib this. Tom

17:56

and Betty? Nope. From preschool

17:59

to 12. grade. Oh

18:01

yeah. Gonna burn this bitch

18:03

down with kids performances. Can't fucking wait.

18:05

Oh my God. Featuring dancers in colorful

18:08

costumes performing Spanish, Mexican and New Mexican

18:10

dances. Yeah. I don't know what the

18:12

difference between any three of those would

18:14

be. And a whole bunch of hot

18:17

cross buns on the recorder. You know

18:19

that. Don't miss out on the

18:21

enchilada dinner at the school from 4pm to

18:23

5.30. Who the fuck is stuffing their faces

18:25

with dinner enchiladas at 4 o'clock in the

18:27

afternoon? That's so adorable. How old are these

18:29

people? Yeah. So it's going on.

18:31

It's $6 for adults, $4 for

18:34

children, which is hilarious. And then

18:36

if you just want to see the performances,

18:38

you don't want any enchiladas. It's five bucks.

18:40

Yeah. Let me get the fuck out of here. Oh, okay. Five

18:42

bucks to watch 8th grade choir sing. It's a

18:44

dollar worth two hours a second. Yeah. Ridiculous. Now you have

18:46

to pay for both. So if you

18:48

want to eat and then take it all in, it's 11

18:50

bucks we're talking about here. Oh my God. It's

18:53

a lot. Then there's the Billy

18:55

the Kid pageant and

18:57

old Lincoln days, which I thought this would be

18:59

a bunch of people trying to look the most

19:01

like Billy the Kid. That's what I figured it

19:03

would be, but it's not. It's just- It's just

19:05

his name? He just named it that? Yeah, because

19:07

he's famous and they don't have much going on

19:09

here. And the annual

19:12

folk pageant has reenactors portraying Billy

19:14

the Kid's last escape. And the

19:16

notorious Lincoln County War is a

19:19

regional favorite. Everyone loves it. There's

19:22

live music, which they don't tell you what

19:24

it is. So that must be great. It's

19:26

a folk pageant with reenactors portraying Billy the

19:28

Kid's last escape though. Interesting. This is 83

19:31

years they've been doing this by the way. How do

19:33

they know if it's his last escape? We don't even

19:35

know if he died. Here is the pageant part. Oh,

19:38

fucking yeah. It is. These are

19:40

teenage girls, Jimmy. Oh,

19:43

they are? Those are teenage girls dressed up

19:45

like Old West, basically

19:48

prostitutes, I would say. Yeah.

19:51

They're definitely- They're

19:53

dressed like a mix between Old

19:55

West prostitute and dancers from Chicago,

19:57

the musical. That's what they dress.

20:00

that's what they're dressed like. Teenage girls. Or

20:02

backup dancers for hell on heels. Yeah.

20:06

And some of them look uncomfortable up

20:08

there too. Like why- Yeah. Mom,

20:11

I told you I don't- The old perverts. I'm

20:13

not ready for this dress yet. And the people

20:15

behind them are the best. It's a guy in

20:17

a big cowboy hat and some like long haired

20:19

blonde lady. They're sitting at a desk like with

20:21

pens like judging them, like marking off. Sounds

20:24

like some kangles. It's so weird. There's

20:28

also the Smokey the Bear Historical

20:30

Park. Okay. All right. During

20:33

1944, during World War

20:35

II, the US Fire Service decided to

20:37

use a bear to spread the fire

20:40

prevention message. He started in

20:42

World War II? World War II. Wow.

20:44

It was named after a New York

20:46

assistant fire chief named Smokey Joe Martin.

20:49

So they called him Smokey the Bear. And

20:53

on May 9th, 1950, in the aftermath of

20:55

a huge fire in the Capitan Mountains there,

20:58

a badly burned bear cub was found.

21:01

Wow. So he became the living symbol

21:04

of fire prevention, Smokey the Bear. There he

21:06

is. Yeah. When

21:08

you fuck up nature, animals die. And he

21:10

grew up and put a hat on and went out in

21:12

the forest. Stomped

21:15

on cigarettes and judged you. Pissed

21:17

on campfires, yeah. So

21:21

then Smokey got old, though, the bear. Bears

21:24

don't live forever. So they were like, shit, he's

21:26

got to retire. So the people of the town

21:28

wanted their bear to be returned to his hometown.

21:31

So upon his death in 1976, I didn't know

21:33

bears lived that long. That's a

21:35

long one. Smokey was flown home and buried in

21:37

what is now the Smokey the Bear Historical Park.

21:39

So you can go visit the grave of a

21:43

bear, of an actual bear who

21:45

survived and lived a full life and then died. I don't

21:47

understand what we're looking at here exactly. Maybe

21:50

they should do. Maybe they should show

21:52

that more often. Like what show the

21:54

show a fucking burned elk carcass. And

21:56

maybe some people will start thinking twice

21:58

about putting their fucking campfire. something cute. Get

22:00

something cute. Show it all fucked up. That's what it

22:02

has to be. It has to be something cute. Show

22:04

a fucking baby something. Show, yeah, show. Just like a,

22:07

that even, it doesn't even have to be a woods

22:09

animal. Just like, look at this puppy. Look at it.

22:11

Look at it. We pulled it

22:13

out of a house, but we'll just say it was in

22:15

the woods. Look at it, God damn it. It's a puppy

22:17

parmesan now. You've made it into a, you've

22:19

cooked it. Fucking

22:21

destroyed. Something like 90% of all forest fires are

22:23

human caused. And it's like, dude, what the fuck

22:25

are you doing out there? How dare you? You

22:27

can avoid that shit. It's

22:30

really upsetting to me. I don't know. It's

22:32

annoying. It's the worst. I get really mad.

22:34

Well also you live in a state that's

22:36

constantly on fire, so I don't blame you.

22:38

Yeah, and the whole, It's always on fire.

22:40

The whole Southwest of America is always on

22:42

fire. Always. Because people are fucking assholes.

22:45

And that last one that's this giant fire in California,

22:47

a dude pushed a flaming car into a gully. I

22:49

think he was trying to commit insurance fraud or some

22:51

shit. I don't know that he was trying to start

22:53

the woods on fire. He's probably making a fucking YouTube

22:56

video. This is gonna

22:58

get me followers. Oh shit. I'm gonna

23:00

have so many likes for this. Uh oh. It's now

23:02

the fifth largest fire in California history. Unbelievable. You

23:05

gotta stop, people. This is fucking absurd.

23:07

Fucking ridiculous here. So

23:09

by the way, the tower, because this thing

23:11

has a fire tower, that tower might be

23:14

to look for fires coming at you from

23:16

the distance. I'll bet you're right. From the

23:18

surrounding lands. That's probably what those towers are

23:20

for. So everybody who tweeted that to us

23:22

or fucking sent us Instagram

23:24

messages about that, you can take them back now.

23:26

We're good. We figured it out.

23:28

Sorry. Yeah. There's a

23:30

few in Arizona. I've driven to them off

23:33

road. It's very, they're just unattended,

23:36

I guess. You can just go out there

23:38

and then climb up in them and see

23:40

for fucking miles, man. It's unbelievable. See forever.

23:43

Crime rate in this town, what we are

23:45

interested in, property crime slightly above average, but

23:47

not too much. Which is wild because everybody's

23:49

super spread out. And then violent

23:52

crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault,

23:54

is up at the Mount Rushmore of crime. Yeah. That's

23:57

about 20% above the national average. What is

23:59

happening out? I don't know. I don't know

24:01

if it's just lawless if it's still Billy the

24:03

Kid times or just hanging on to that whole

24:05

culture Law don't go around here

24:08

law dog. You got like Ike Clanton telling Doc

24:10

holiday We'll take your

24:12

horse if we want it. That's right.

24:14

So that said let's talk about some

24:16

wild crazy murder here and Let's

24:19

go back to July 2004

24:21

I believe it's July 8th 2004

24:23

to be exact and let's start

24:25

out with some we never start out something like

24:28

this It's always like let's talk about a person

24:30

you've never heard of from the middle of nowhere

24:32

Well, the first person we're gonna talk about today

24:34

is a very famous person Sam Donaldson. Let's bring

24:36

into this Who the hell's that? Sam

24:39

from the news for 55 fucking

24:41

years or so. Oh Jesus. Good morning

24:44

about plastic fucking mannequin haired I'm

24:46

Sam guy. Yeah, this guy. Yeah,

24:48

Sam fucking about he by the

24:50

way You first

24:53

mid-century America here in the 20th century

24:56

you apparently made a fuckload of money do

24:58

a new shit because Dude,

25:00

these people make so much money. He's got a

25:02

ranch That there are

25:04

houses on the ranch that are 23 miles

25:07

apart and he owns all of it And

25:10

he owns the land in between them all of

25:12

it. That's wow Create think

25:14

about how much fucking land that is that's

25:16

and he's renting to those people or no

25:19

They're his homes too. We'll talk

25:21

about it Sam Donaldson owns the whole entire ranch It's the

25:23

same time to the 25 miles of rows miles of of

25:25

New Mexico So

25:30

much of it. It's called the Chavez Canyon ranch

25:32

and it's Enormous there's

25:34

horses and cattle and it's like it's

25:37

a whole working ranch man. So he's

25:39

got horse guys Cowboys,

25:41

he's got cattle people. He's

25:43

got you know caretakers everything you

25:45

can imagine works here So

25:47

he gets he'd been trying to call his house

25:49

and talk to the caretaker and

25:52

couldn't get a hold of him So Sam here

25:54

decides he's gonna take a trip out to the

25:56

ranch and check it out himself. Yeah get the

25:59

camera crew We're going to the ranch and he's...

26:01

Saddle up, Sam. Get my hair, shellac,

26:04

please. I'm gonna

26:06

ride my steed. Check

26:08

and picture this guy in a ranch. So he

26:10

gets there about 4.30pm and immediately sees

26:16

some stuff that he is not okay with

26:18

here. Oh, he's been in the

26:20

news and he sees the worst. Oh, he

26:23

sees it. He said on the porch he

26:25

found a large reddish dry splotch, which was

26:27

clearly blood, is what he said. Then

26:30

he found a similar spot on the kitchen

26:32

floor and blood all over the laundry room

26:34

as well. Oh. So he

26:36

called the sheriff's office right from

26:38

there. There's also appeared to be

26:40

a broken pair of eyeglasses on

26:42

the porch and multiple

26:45

blood trails where it looks like someone

26:47

was dragged and blood

26:49

smeared behind them all over the

26:51

fucking place. This place is just a mess.

26:54

Just a bloodbath. Yeah, he

26:56

said it was wild. He called the

26:58

sheriff's office and said, I cannot find

27:00

my ranch manager, but I found a

27:02

great deal of congealed blood. But I

27:04

found a great deal of congealed blood

27:06

this morning on Good Morning America. A

27:09

great deal of congealed blood and Dolly Parton

27:11

will join us in the second hour. So

27:14

make sure to come here. It's such a fucking real

27:18

weird. He said, he saw all that. He

27:20

said, I covered the war in Vietnam.

27:22

I saw a lot of it there,

27:24

burning blood. And I walked to the kitchen

27:26

and immediately saw a red swath that was on

27:28

the porch from the kitchen floor.

27:30

So he's looking around

27:32

to be replaced by Michael Strahan. Yeah.

27:35

Someday a man who led the

27:38

league in Saxon in

27:40

2011 will replace me. They'll have

27:42

more credibility than a man who

27:44

covered fucking Vietnam. Jesus.

27:46

That's hilarious. Yeah. People still

27:48

want personality. That's all. So

27:51

he can't find the ranch family.

27:53

He comes to the house

27:55

that the ranch family is staying in because they have a

27:57

little house on the property that they stay on. He

28:00

went there because he was trying to get a hold of them

28:02

to find out some ranch stats or something who the hell knows

28:04

I don't know run the numbers that when

28:07

you run when you own just miles of ranch I'm

28:09

not sure exactly what kind of information you need, but

28:11

I assume there's lots of it, you know You

28:16

know at least it has the weather over there on the

28:18

east side of the property Yeah, well on

28:20

the west side. It's this much on the east side. It's that much

28:23

so he He can't find

28:25

any of these people they call

28:27

he calls the police the cops come in

28:29

and they see immediately inside the living room

28:32

They see a sofa and on the sofa.

28:34

There's a big dark apparent blood

28:37

soaked section of the sofa I mean looks

28:39

like somebody bled out into the sofa on

28:42

the couch. There was a pillow and a book near it There's

28:45

a pillow there a book near the pillow and

28:47

then just then somebody explode somebody just bled out

28:49

on there Yeah, they just their ass all opened

28:51

up and there and signs came out So

28:54

they said there was discoloration on the pillow,

28:56

which was red that looked like blood They

28:59

also found hair fibers and human tissue on

29:01

the pillow as well So

29:03

they're thinking possibly someone was murdered on the

29:05

pillow and bled out on the couch Obviously

29:08

in the living room, there's blood spatters on

29:10

the west wall and on the south wall

29:12

as well Spatter action

29:14

so it looked like a body also

29:16

had been dragged from the living room

29:18

through the kitchen and then out across

29:20

the back porch So

29:23

it looks like you could see right from the couch someone

29:25

bled out and they were dragged outside So

29:27

like okay, that's not good They

29:30

get outside There's blood

29:32

all over the kitchen too and there's more drag marks. So

29:35

they get outside and they see that there are

29:39

Fresh backhoe tracks that

29:42

are fresher than any of the

29:44

other tracks on the path Yeah So

29:46

just in you know walking around they

29:48

decide to follow the tracks to see

29:50

what they find Maybe that'll lead

29:52

us somewhere So they

29:54

also look at the backhoe and see there's

29:56

blood in the bucket part Like

29:59

okay Yeah,

30:01

let's go ahead and follow the

30:04

tracks of this thing. So they follow it

30:06

and they find there's some dirt and it

30:08

looks like someone took a few scrapes out

30:10

of the dirt but then

30:12

had given up because there's just

30:14

some small scrapes and there's a small pool of

30:16

blood there as well. So

30:19

it looks like they gave up. So then they noticed

30:22

other backhoe tracks that led all the way

30:24

down to a ravine back another

30:26

part of the property that led to

30:28

a manure pile. A

30:31

giant shit pile literally. Huge

30:34

giant shit pile if you've seen on a farm or

30:36

a ranch they have these huge shit piles. So

30:39

the cop said he could tell where

30:41

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30:43

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30:46

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30:48

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now back to the show So

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he said that he circled around the manure

33:37

pile to a small ravine and

33:40

This cop wanted to see the backside of the pile. See

33:42

if you could see anything He

33:44

said he made sure not to step on any of the

33:46

backhoe tracks or anything like that At

33:49

this point when he got around and this I don't

33:51

even know how you would smell this But he said

33:53

he smelled the odor of something dead over

33:56

a pile of a giant ranch

33:59

ranch is worth of shit. How do you smell

34:01

anything under that? Honestly.

34:05

I mean, it all smells like

34:07

shit at this point. But

34:10

that stuff crusts over and then it

34:12

doesn't stink anymore unless it rains or

34:14

you crack that crust. Do you know

34:16

what I mean? Yeah, I guess so.

34:18

It seems like that much shit

34:20

would smell. You know what I mean? Just

34:22

logically but I guess scientifically it's not quite

34:24

the same. I ain't talking about shit but

34:26

it's so gross. But like, it's what animals

34:28

eat though. We're dealing in shit right now.

34:31

We have to. It's not our fault. But

34:35

animals just eat grass and stuff so when

34:37

it's turned into shit, it

34:40

doesn't, it's not like ours. It

34:42

stinks though. I've been on a farm. It smells like

34:44

shit. It's

34:46

a different shit though. Shit's

34:49

shit to me I think. I'm gonna go with

34:51

shit shit. It's

34:54

all mammals. So you're saying

34:56

a vegetarian human shit is fine. I

35:00

think that I would assume that a

35:02

vegetarian shit smells entirely different than somebody

35:04

who eats hot fucking Fritos. A

35:07

vegan log is gonna smell different than

35:09

if you had Jack in the Box three times this week. Yeah.

35:13

Hot fries and jumbo

35:15

Jacks and McNuggets and I think all

35:17

of that stuff smells different than just

35:20

grass shit. I would hope so. And

35:24

Brussels sprout, I don't know. Something. That

35:26

probably smells bad. That's, Brussels sprouts smell bad.

35:28

They smell like shit when you eat them.

35:30

Before your process through your goddamn system and

35:32

shot out your asshole. They can't smell good

35:34

coming out. Yeah. There's a lot

35:36

of greens that smell pretty bad before you even turn

35:39

into that. So they look a

35:41

little farther and they see an aging

35:43

deer carcass in a nearby ravine.

35:46

Oh. So they're like, okay. But

35:48

they said the odor was too strong for

35:50

that level of decomposition of

35:52

a deer carcass. It was much more of

35:54

a strong. If there was eight deer maybe,

35:57

but not one deer. Yeah. Dried out carcass

35:59

doesn't smell near No, no, I live in

36:01

the woods. A deer will die once in a while

36:03

and go, oh shit, something died in here. It's a

36:05

deer obviously died, and then a week later, it's

36:08

gone. Gone, that's how it works. There's, you know,

36:10

people, animals eat at it, take the

36:12

meat and all that kind of thing. So the

36:14

sergeant here moves closer to the manure pile. That's

36:18

something, he didn't want to be in his job description coming

36:20

out probably. He's like, I want to get a job where

36:22

I have to move closer to manure piles if I see

36:24

the... Oh, things, oh God, things

36:26

involved in your murder. So

36:29

he saw several groups of flies, I

36:32

assume this would be all flies, shit. It's

36:34

a pile of flies to shit, you ever heard that? Let's

36:37

really go first. That's where they go first.

36:40

They saw a group of flies hovering around

36:42

one particular area in a more concentrated batch.

36:45

So they landed on a spot where the odor

36:47

was the strongest, that happened to be where the

36:49

flies were. So the

36:51

sergeant found a two foot long stick

36:54

and started scraping some manure away from

36:56

the pile. Oh God, he

36:59

barely got any of it off when

37:01

he saw a blood soaked shirt in

37:03

the manure pile and what looked like

37:06

appeared to be a person's arm in the shirt.

37:09

Golly. Put the stick down and said,

37:11

oh okay, calling this one in. I

37:13

found all I need to find. That's it, if

37:15

there's an arm under the shit, that person's not

37:18

there voluntarily, there's a problem. He calls it in

37:20

and we'll find out what happens there because

37:22

it's a goddamn mess. Well, let's find out

37:24

about the family who lived in this

37:27

house and figure out

37:29

what's going on here. Let's first talk

37:31

about Delbert Paul Posey. P-O-S-E-Y

37:33

Posey. Delbert Paul, he goes by

37:35

Paul for most people here. But

37:37

I like calling him Delbert for

37:39

some reason just because we

37:42

don't get a lot of Delberts very often. So

37:44

old Delberts born in 1970 and here he, back

37:51

in the day he got married in the mid 80s, late

37:54

80s, I'm sorry, like 88 right after he turned 18.

37:57

And he married a woman named Carla. uh,

38:00

Brust is what she'll be later here.

38:02

Uh, now Carla, they're going to

38:04

have a baby almost right away in 1989, Delbert

38:07

and Carla, and they're going to have

38:09

little Cody Austin Posey. They have, he's

38:13

born. It's going to hate ring around the roses.

38:15

Oh, he's going to absolutely hate it. A

38:18

Cody and her Posey, uh, October

38:20

9th, 1989. He's born, uh,

38:23

here now pretty much right away, beginning

38:25

of 1990, Carla and

38:28

Delbert split up or late 1990. So

38:31

Cody was about 11 months old when they

38:33

spun. So he and his

38:35

mother go to live with their, with his

38:37

aunt, his mom's sister. And

38:39

the Poseys will formally divorce in January of

38:42

1992. And

38:44

they're going to share custody of Cody. They're going to have

38:46

equal custody of the two of them. Um,

38:49

so they're going to fight a lot over shit is what that means.

38:52

You're going to do a lot of disagreeing for the next 18 years. For

38:55

a lot, a lot of years. Now,

38:58

Delbert Paul here is not known

39:00

as a real nice guy to

39:03

basically anybody. Nobody thinks he's

39:05

a nice guy. Um, you think maybe he's

39:07

the problem in the relationship? A little bit.

39:09

Well, the multiple relationships, as we'll talk about

39:12

now, Jim Forrester is a guy who did

39:14

some work at one point. He put a new

39:16

heater in the house for Paul. Delbert

39:19

Paul here. Uh, Cody was just a

39:21

baby in diapers. So there's still, you

39:23

know, they're still together. So this is,

39:25

you know, they're probably 10 months old

39:27

or 11 months old or something. And

39:30

Jim Forrester is his name. He says

39:32

about Delbert Paul here. He was a

39:34

mean, real mean, uh, he was mean,

39:37

real mean on his family. Then

39:39

he says he's in there, um, putting

39:42

the new heater in and Cody was a

39:44

baby and Paul told him to move

39:46

aside. And because

39:48

he was a baby, he didn't understand to move

39:52

aside. Just doesn't babies don't follow instructions real

39:54

well. They just don't. It's why

39:56

they don't have jobs most of the time. So

39:59

this for. said, all of a sudden

40:01

Paul just leaped and whipped his belt

40:03

off and grabbed that kid by the

40:05

arm and just went to warping

40:08

him down across the head and ears and

40:10

face and neck and back. Hit

40:13

a baby in the fucking head? In the head

40:15

with a, whipped a baby in the head with

40:18

a belt. Wow. He

40:21

said the kid was just screaming, you

40:23

know, bloody murder, big wide cowboy belt.

40:25

He took off his fucking

40:27

big ranch belt buckle. And

40:30

beat a baby with it. My

40:32

Christ. So that's insane.

40:35

That guy got a divorce? Weird. Well,

40:37

and the mom was there. Carol

40:40

was there. She pulled Cody away

40:43

from him and a short time later is when they

40:45

broke up. So this was, I think one of the,

40:47

this is the reason they broke up. Probably a start

40:49

of it. Beating the baby. So

40:52

they left. Now in 1994, his

40:54

mom's going to join the Navy. We'll talk

40:57

about that. 1992

40:59

is the official divorce. 1994, Carol joins the Navy.

41:03

Really? Yeah. I got a kid going on. I

41:05

got all this. I know what I'll

41:07

do. I'm joining the Navy, which is the last thing

41:09

you'd expect. You going back to school? No, I'm joining

41:11

the Navy. Oh, okay. She's

41:14

still like only in her like late twenties though.

41:16

So her mid twenties, like 26 or something. So

41:20

1995 here, his, this

41:23

is, uh, Delbert Paul's parents, Jay

41:25

and Linda Posey. They

41:27

are shot to death at

41:30

their ranch just outside of Roswell, which isn't

41:32

far from here. And

41:35

what the authorities characterized as a

41:37

murder suicide. So yeah,

41:40

yeah. So that happened. So this

41:42

family has some dark shit going

41:45

over it. And dad

41:47

and mom having a murder suicide

41:49

is starting to explain old Delbert

41:51

Paul's behavior a little bit. Yeah.

41:54

Yeah. Probably grew up in a

41:56

tumultuous household. I would say so getting beat with cowboy

41:58

belts would be my guess. It's

42:00

rarely wooing and romance when

42:02

it ends in that. It's

42:09

no romance for 30 years and then he's

42:11

like, you know what, what a waste. Once

42:13

the kids moved out, forget about it, they

42:15

just, they fell apart. Before that everything was

42:17

great though. They went to Disneyland

42:20

every year, it was wonderful. So

42:22

1998, Delbert Paul gets

42:24

remarried here, Delbert Paul Posey.

42:26

He remarries a woman named Sandy.

42:29

And now Sandy, they have a very

42:32

good relationship here. Her

42:35

name Sandy, she testifies that

42:37

she would protect Cody

42:39

from his father later on and

42:41

during their marriage. She also says

42:44

that she saw Paul constantly

42:46

quote surfing pornography on the

42:49

internet. I mean, his initials

42:51

are DP, James. That's, DPP.

42:55

Good Christ. Double

42:59

penis penetration is what he's getting. So

43:02

yeah, they're getting that and what

43:04

he's, she said, and this is, they break

43:06

up in 98. So he's

43:09

looking at like early internet porn. Early

43:11

porn, that's just pixels of pictures. Dude,

43:13

you had to be really horny to

43:15

figure out porn by the, you know,

43:18

before 98. You had to really be

43:20

like, I want to see some tits now. Bad

43:22

and they better be doing some gross shit. Hell yeah. So

43:25

she said she didn't like that at all. And

43:28

they end up getting a divorce

43:30

because she doesn't like the dynamic in

43:32

the house. And also she is worried

43:34

about, she doesn't like the way he treats his

43:36

son. So, you know, she doesn't want

43:38

to exactly have more kids with this fucking guy. So

43:41

she, Sandy, the stepmom really loved Cody

43:43

and she said she cared for him

43:46

as if he were her own. You

43:49

know, she would throw birthday parties for him

43:51

and have friends over and stuff. But she

43:53

said that she had to keep Paul from

43:55

hitting Cody or else Paul would be feeding

43:57

the shit at a Cody constantly. She

43:59

said, he would yank him out of the

44:01

bed. This is we're talking between ages five

44:03

and nine, okay? So,

44:06

quote, he would yank him out of the

44:08

bed, the bunk bed on top, yank him

44:10

onto the floor. And

44:12

they said, just pull him on the floor. And she said,

44:14

yes, yes, yes. Just slam him down on the floor. Just

44:17

yank his ass right out of the top bunk bed to the

44:20

floor. She said one time she

44:22

came home from work and walked in

44:24

on Paul beating the shit out of

44:26

Cody with a board, with a piece

44:28

of wood, like he's hacksaw Jim Duggan

44:30

with his fucking kid. She

44:33

said, I said, Paul, that's enough,

44:35

that's enough. And then he stopped. So

44:38

she saved this kid for Christ's sake.

44:40

They end up getting divorced in 1998,

44:42

unsurprisingly. That's what I want.

44:45

You don't wanna suck that guy's dick after you watch him beat

44:48

a seven year old with a two by four? That's weird.

44:51

Wow. So, he ends

44:53

up though, this guy does not like to

44:55

be alone. He ends up finding another woman

44:57

very quickly and getting married that

44:59

same year in 98. It

45:01

must be like a, he must give off

45:03

like a masculine energy, right? Oh yeah, he's

45:05

a cowboy. He's a, he

45:07

runs a ranch. I mean, he's got a

45:10

big belt buckle and he's got a real

45:12

masculine swagger. Yeah, he's got all that shit.

45:14

So if you're turned on by that, this

45:17

is your guy. Problem is, too much swagger, you

45:19

also beat the shit out of your kids. You

45:23

gotta temper the swagger. But he doesn't beat up

45:25

any of the women, which is weird. He never

45:27

beats his wife. The only person

45:29

he beats the shit out of is his little

45:31

boy. That's it, no one else. He's

45:34

trying to make Cody tough, I think. I

45:36

think that's what he's thinking, but he's,

45:38

it's like later on the shit

45:40

he's doing is not for toughness as we'll talk

45:42

about. I mean, two by four, any piece of

45:44

wood, that's not. You're a grown man. You don't

45:46

need a piece of wood. Use

45:48

your fucking hand if you're gonna beat a

45:50

kid. Open hand, that's, you know,

45:52

what are you doing? Not that you should beat a kid,

45:55

but. Right. I mean, if you're

45:57

saying I'm gonna, you're determined to beat the shit out

45:59

of your kids. Kid, please don't use weapons is

46:01

all I'm asking. It's bad enough if

46:03

you use your hands. I mean,

46:05

I got beaten and... Yeah, I

46:07

grew up in my fucking grandmother's house.

46:09

She beat me with implements. Yeah, I

46:11

got beaten harder because I, quote unquote,

46:14

made their hand hurt. And so, because

46:16

I fucked up and made them beat me, I

46:19

got beat harder because their hand hurt. I

46:21

don't have to worry about that because it

46:23

doesn't hurt a slipper or a shoe or

46:25

a fucking metal spoon to be fucking... It

46:27

doesn't hurt the person using it to beat

46:29

you with it. Or they

46:31

go, this hurts me more than it hurts you. I

46:33

highly doubt it. Show me the welts

46:36

on you, motherfucker. Nah, that's the

46:38

thing. You get foreigners, they don't play that shit. They don't

46:40

care. They want you to hurt. They go,

46:42

man, you son of a bitch as they beat you and

46:44

then tell you, that's what you get. This hurts you more

46:46

than it hurts me. Yeah. It's

46:49

a different, they're not upset. They're not like, I

46:51

don't want to have to do this. None of

46:53

that shit. That's the cold shit. It doesn't even

46:55

hurt me. It doesn't hurt me at all. I'm

46:57

cool. Wow.

47:01

So the woman this guy marries, Paul,

47:04

her name is, and she, it's so

47:06

weird. When you look at her name, Allison, who

47:08

helps with her research a lot, she

47:10

even said, how is this woman named

47:12

Tyrone? She's

47:15

like a red... Is that your first name?

47:17

She's like a, no, that's not her name,

47:19

but she's like a red-headed, very white, New

47:21

Mexico ranch lady. And she's like, how the

47:24

fuck is her name Tyrone? It's not. It's

47:26

so easy to misread because your brain doesn't

47:29

see this as a word. Her name is

47:31

T-R-Y-O-N-E. Tryone?

47:35

Tryone. Sure.

47:38

That's why I said it. Tyrone? Tyrone,

47:40

I guess they might call her. Try,

47:42

I'd call her Tryone. Tryone.

47:46

Yep. So I said, I was like,

47:49

Tryone. When I read, I was like, Tryone? So I

47:51

looked up another source. I'm like, it's Tryone. That's her

47:53

fucking name. So

47:56

Tryone, Tryone, we'll call her here.

47:58

She is about 10... years

48:00

older by the way than Paul. He

48:02

likes older ladies as we'll talk about.

48:04

He's about 10 years older and she's

48:06

about 10 years older. She has a

48:08

daughter as well that she brings into

48:11

this relationship that's one year younger than

48:13

Cody. So might be

48:15

nice for Cody to have someone around his own

48:17

age at least to have around you know maybe

48:19

to talk about beatings with or something I don't

48:21

know. Maybe she can explain what he's done wrong.

48:24

Hey, the daughter's name

48:27

is Mary Lee which is

48:29

M-A-R-I-L-E-A. Mary Lee. Mary

48:31

Lee Schmidt. Nobody likes to

48:33

spell. Yeah, that

48:35

A makes Mary Lee. Mary Leah

48:38

Schmidt and she so try

48:41

one in Maralea here. Okay.

48:44

Wow. Now 1998 during

48:47

this time I think this is when

48:50

in between the two wives I

48:52

believe. I

48:55

think it's 97 here. A complaint is

48:57

filed with the Chavez County Sheriff's Department

49:01

because Cody came home his mom was

49:03

home on leave and saw him

49:05

and saw he was covered in bruises. Ah,

49:07

fuck. So she called the cops and

49:10

they took pictures and they did a hospital exam

49:12

but no charges are ever filed. No nothing ever

49:14

comes of it. Just pictures are taken. It's on

49:17

file. I mean I guess you can't really assert

49:20

who did it and I mean Cody could say but. Yeah.

49:23

Well he's only with his dad. I mean who else is

49:25

going to beat the shit out of him? Dan

49:28

could say somebody did it at school. He was something

49:31

he fell down. He's a boy. He plays rough. He

49:33

fell off a horse. You work

49:35

on a fucking ranch. We work on ranches.

49:37

They don't work on the Sam Donaldson ranch

49:39

quite yet. They're doing other shit now. But

49:41

by April of 2000 Cody's

49:43

mother makes an agreement

49:46

in court. They come to a fucking little

49:49

sit down pact where they

49:51

come to an agreement where she has

49:53

full custody of Cody. And

49:56

Delbert Paul here gives up all

49:58

parental rights. He basically said, I

50:01

have nothing to do with this child anymore. You can

50:03

have him. All parental

50:05

rights. She doesn't have to take

50:07

him to see him anymore. He never

50:09

has to see his father ever again,

50:11

basically. Yeah. I mean, that, if

50:15

beating your child doesn't fuck him up enough, beat

50:18

him and then throw them away. I don't

50:20

want anything to do with him. Poor Cody,

50:22

man. He was happy because he wasn't liable

50:25

for child support under this agreement. It was

50:27

basically, he cuts all ties and

50:29

she doesn't have to take him to visit him

50:31

and then he doesn't have to pay child support

50:33

for Cody. That's how it works. So it's just

50:35

like, like you never existed as his father, basically.

50:37

All he has to remember you buy is pictures

50:39

of bruises. That's it. Jesus.

50:42

Yeah. So this, he and Cody,

50:45

from what I understand, is thrilled

50:47

with this arrangement. I can't imagine.

50:49

He fucking over the moon happy.

50:52

Never been happy. He doesn't lick his wounds in

50:54

a fucking bunk bed anymore?

50:56

Nope. That's April 2000, mid-April

50:58

2000. Now, July 13th, 2000, just a few short months

51:00

later, some

51:04

tragedy strikes here. Oh, no. His

51:06

mom, Carla, is only 30, okay?

51:09

And she is in the car

51:11

with Cody and her new husband,

51:13

Russell. Russell Brust is

51:15

his name, B-R-U-S-T. They're all

51:18

in the car. They're headed to Washington,

51:20

where Brust was stationed with the Navy, because

51:22

they're both parents, both of these two are

51:24

in the Navy. So they're

51:26

heading there. They're moving there. This is

51:29

fucked up. Russell is driving. Cody's in

51:31

the front seat. Mom's in the back.

51:34

Russell falls asleep at the wheel. Oh,

51:36

Russ. Okay. The

51:39

pickup, Mom apparently was in the back of

51:42

the pickup truck. It's a pickup truck. Maybe

51:44

it's an extended cab? From when

51:46

I tell you what happened, you're not going to think

51:48

so. That's why I thought that at first, too.

51:50

But I'm like, I think she's in the back of the fucking truck.

51:54

He fell asleep. The pickup truck

51:56

flipped and threw Carla a good

51:58

distance from the vehicle. Possible

52:00

the other two were in the car still so I don't

52:02

know how that little that little fucking

52:04

side door would open and she Could

52:06

be a door to our truck Yeah, that's true.

52:08

It is no down if she's laid down in the backseat.

52:10

It could fling ya now's 99 though Do

52:13

that though that's that's I had one I

52:16

had the one where you had to open the fucking regular

52:18

door to get the yeah Yeah, we have a door. Yeah,

52:20

for I don't know so either way I don't

52:23

know why the only the back door would open

52:25

whatever the no no if the windows down you

52:27

can get thrown right the fuck I guess yeah,

52:29

she's she may been in the back. She's

52:31

thrown out of the car Cody

52:34

apparently rushes over to her just in time

52:36

to watch her die. Oh Jesus

52:38

fucking hell to watch his mom die

52:41

before his eyes, which is you

52:43

know, that's how Dexter started You know what

52:45

I'm saying? Like this is not a good

52:47

thing to watch somebody die before your mom

52:49

die in front of your eyes Especially that's

52:51

dear let your lifeline. You know away from

52:54

any all the crazy is Russ brass. Okay.

52:56

No, he's dead, too He's oh my god

52:58

this kid Yeah,

53:01

so Batman started to those this is

53:03

fucked up. Yeah, that's go either way.

53:05

Yeah, so He's fucking

53:07

ten this is

53:09

crazy, so He

53:12

and he the fucked up part is he goes with

53:14

his aunt now for a little bit his and his

53:16

aunt his mom's sister That they had moved in with

53:18

originally back then He blames

53:20

himself for it Cody really why

53:22

he this is the ant quote He

53:24

looked at me and said I killed

53:26

my mom. That's dark man.

53:29

That's I killed my mom. I

53:31

would More

53:34

explain further How do

53:36

you interpret that as doing unless unless

53:38

he? Walked up on mom

53:40

not breathing and then just like stomped

53:43

her head He's

53:45

sorry. He was like poor thing and then he covered

53:47

her mouth and pinched her nose No,

53:51

he went on to say quote I wanted

53:53

to sit in front with my new dad

53:55

and that's why she's dead oh Jesus

53:59

I'm gonna cry. Let's break down. Are

54:01

you fucking kidding me? What the most

54:04

heartbreaking part of this is? I killed

54:06

my mom. I wanted to sit in

54:08

front with my new dad and that's

54:10

why she's like, what's more heartbreaking? The

54:12

mom's dead. I feel guilty or I

54:15

just wanted to sit in front with

54:17

my new dad. Oh my God. My

54:19

heart is broken.

54:23

That's horrible. Have we ever

54:25

read a, no, I think

54:27

that's the worst. 500 shit. Has there ever

54:29

been a more fucking heartbreaking sentence? Heartbreaking sentence.

54:31

No, because we've never had a 10 year

54:34

old say any shit like that before. I

54:36

killed my mom because I wanted to sit in

54:39

front with my new dad who's doesn't beat me.

54:41

Isn't that great? The one that doesn't beat the

54:43

shit out of me with pieces of wood. Oh

54:45

my God. And that's why she's dead. Oh

54:48

my God, Cody. So now

54:50

he's got obviously a history of some serious

54:52

trauma going on and being beaten from the

54:54

time he's an infant. And now you add

54:57

to that a Batman Dexter level of backstory

55:00

to his parents. Catholic

55:03

level of guilt multiplied by a

55:05

hundred. It's Catholicism times Batman divided

55:07

by Dexter equals Cody. That's what

55:09

we have now. Poor

55:12

kid. So his

55:15

mom's funeral comes around a few

55:17

days later. This is fucking

55:19

horrible. Um, and fucking

55:22

Paul dad shows up at

55:24

the funeral completely

55:27

uninvited, obviously with

55:29

a police officer with him to take

55:31

possession of his son. Even

55:35

though he had agreed to no parental

55:37

rights, the state recognizes he was his

55:39

dad more than it recognizes this lady's

55:42

his aunt. And they say that he

55:44

has to go with his dad. Who told him,

55:46

God damn it. That's fucked up. So after

55:48

that, the aunt said she had virtually no

55:51

contact with Cody because Paul wouldn't let her,

55:53

wouldn't let him talk to her or her

55:55

family and ha and Cody had a lot

55:58

of restrictions on him. from

56:00

family members to Cody were

56:02

returned. They just returned them, returned

56:05

a sender. The aunt said it

56:07

was control. Paul referred to

56:09

him as his property. He said, I

56:12

own Cody, he's mine, quote unquote. Good

56:14

Lord. He said that at the funeral

56:16

service, by the way, with a bunch

56:18

of mourning. No. And

56:20

a kid mourning his dead mother who he

56:22

thinks he killed. He said he's my property.

56:25

So she said that he

56:28

wouldn't let, Paul wouldn't let Cody

56:30

play with toys that the aunt would send him

56:32

for like Christmas or anything and would not permit

56:34

him to keep gifts of clothing because I'd send

56:36

them clothes and stuff. They were trying to just

56:39

keep connected to him. The

56:42

aunt said, quote, he told me one time

56:44

he didn't, oh, this is about Paul. He

56:46

told me one time he didn't care if

56:49

Cody hated him. He was going to make

56:51

him respect the world he was going to

56:53

be released into someday. Now, okay.

56:56

That if you took, if you,

56:59

if someone said that and didn't beat the shit

57:01

out of their kids and abuse them, you'd go,

57:03

okay, well, let's, you know, I guess

57:05

that's okay. You don't want your kids to hate you,

57:07

but to say, look, I don't care if you don't

57:09

like me, I have to raise you properly is that's

57:11

what you say to a kid who doesn't want to

57:14

be raised properly. I get that. But that's the problem. Is

57:16

it, is it, what's he going to respect hate and released

57:22

into someday? Sounds like he's coming

57:25

out like a, like a, like a

57:27

bull getting released into the ring to fucking

57:29

go after people or something. It's really weird.

57:32

Man. Um, now and

57:35

Cody, when dad showed up at the funeral

57:38

to get him, Cody was really upset. He

57:40

was, didn't want it. And the, uh, this

57:43

is a, uh, a cousin said he was

57:45

upset from the funeral itself. Then it turned

57:47

into a turn from a sad

57:49

upset to a mad upset. Yeah.

57:52

She said, quote, meaning Cody, he kept

57:54

telling us, don't let him take me.

57:56

Don't let him take me. He beats

57:58

me. How

58:00

does the cop... Thank

58:03

you. In front of the cop, the kids beg

58:05

and the father's going, oh, he's just being a

58:07

little pussy blah blah blah. And the cop's like,

58:09

yeah, that's how kids are. And they fucking take

58:11

the kid away. He beats me. He beats me.

58:14

Beats me. And as we'll talk when we hear

58:16

some more Sam Donaldson quotes later on, a lot

58:18

of this is because of where in the country

58:21

this is. That's considered just good down home parenting

58:23

down there, apparently. Boy, boy. Yeah,

58:25

it's a little interesting. I mean, yes,

58:27

discipline is one thing. Beating

58:30

your kid to the point of fucking

58:32

bruising, oh, that's crazy. It's fucking crazy.

58:35

So the aunt here,

58:37

she talks about the next few years, like

58:39

we said, of not being able to really

58:41

stay in contact with Cody and all that

58:43

kind of thing. She said she mostly lost

58:46

contact with him after 2000 and said

58:49

that Cody would... Had

58:52

occasionally complained that his father beat him and yelled at

58:54

him and verbally abused him, called him names and all

58:56

that shit, so she was sad. Now

58:59

2001 is when Sam Donaldson

59:01

hires Paul to be

59:03

the ranch caretaker. Okay, so

59:05

they move out to the Chavez Ranch

59:07

there then. They all

59:10

move out there, and this is the

59:12

four of them. This is Tri-1, Paul,

59:15

Mary-Leah, and Cody. They're

59:17

all coming here. And

59:20

they said that basically everyone around there

59:22

figured out that Cody wasn't allowed to

59:25

socialize really with other kids, wasn't

59:28

allowed to do anything. He's like Jeremy from the

59:30

Pearl Jam video. He's like a fucking... Most

59:33

of the year before

59:35

moving here, he said

59:37

his parents made him spend most of his days

59:39

after school in his bedroom. Wasn't

59:42

allowed to do anything. Now

59:44

the layout of the ranch, like we said

59:46

here, Sam Donaldson told everybody

59:48

about it and said that Paul was

59:51

the foreman of three ranches located on

59:53

the property, which were as far as

59:55

23 miles apart in some places, like

59:57

we said. Huge, huge.

1:00:00

property. So 2004, okay,

1:00:02

four years have gone by since his

1:00:04

mom died, three years since they've been

1:00:06

living on the ranch and

1:00:08

things are not going well. Now

1:00:10

Cody is just finishing,

1:00:13

he's 14 years old, he's

1:00:15

not quite yet, but he will be, or no,

1:00:17

he's 14 now, he'll be 15 later this year.

1:00:20

He just finished the eighth grade at

1:00:22

Capitan Municipal School District and

1:00:25

how's he been doing? I mean obviously. So one

1:00:29

of his teachers for three years, Roman Lariva,

1:00:32

he said that Cody was the top

1:00:34

science student in the sixth grade. Is

1:00:36

that right? He's not a dummy at

1:00:38

all Cody, no. Just my kid. They

1:00:40

said while being very bright, he said

1:00:42

he was also quote, full of energy,

1:00:45

which is not a compliment to

1:00:48

a child. He said he was

1:00:50

rambunctious but never anything mean. He just had a lot

1:00:52

of energy. I mean that's

1:00:55

normal. Yeah, as long as you're doing

1:00:57

your work, I mean whatever. The teacher

1:00:59

said he never saw physical abuse but

1:01:01

parent-teacher conferences, he said it

1:01:03

became very obvious to him that Cody's parents

1:01:05

were constantly coming down on him as he

1:01:07

put it. Yeah, sounds like when

1:01:09

it goes to school he thrives there because

1:01:11

his parents aren't there. Because his dad isn't

1:01:13

there, that's exactly it. He said even in

1:01:15

spite of good grades they would always find

1:01:17

something else. They'd come in for

1:01:20

a conference and the teacher would

1:01:22

be like, no, he's doing great, blah, blah, blah, and they would

1:01:24

find something to yell at him for right there in front of

1:01:26

the teacher. He said that Posey,

1:01:29

meaning Cody, was interested in sports

1:01:31

and also wanted to do a

1:01:33

bunch of academic competitions. Probably

1:01:36

just to get him out of the house, extracurriculars. That's what a lot

1:01:38

of kids do. A lot of kids

1:01:40

just lean into sports and shit because that

1:01:42

home sucks. He

1:01:45

said that his parents wouldn't allow him

1:01:47

to compete in sports or even academic

1:01:49

competitions and the teacher

1:01:51

said, why not? He's really smart and they said

1:01:54

because he's not toeing the line. He's

1:01:57

not toeing whatever. He's 14. Yeah

1:02:02

What's he not doing? He's not contributing enough to his 401k

1:02:05

Like what the fuck do you need to do when you're 14

1:02:07

to toe the line? That's weird So

1:02:09

this teacher said that he used to tell Posey's

1:02:12

parents meaning Paul and try one

1:02:15

during conferences about his in-class disruptions But

1:02:17

he said I quit saying anything because

1:02:19

I didn't want to burn him anymore

1:02:22

He stopped telling the parents because he said they come down

1:02:24

wait Wait, they just he wants the

1:02:26

parents to go. Hey try to calm down in class not

1:02:28

wait till we get home Like that's

1:02:30

not what you want to hear. It's crazy They

1:02:32

also we find out that he's they're

1:02:34

much nicer to the daughter. They treat

1:02:37

her completely different Completely

1:02:40

different a resident around

1:02:42

here named Emily nut Emily

1:02:45

nut here. That's the

1:02:47

Sunday school teacher when they lived before

1:02:49

they moved to the ranch So this

1:02:52

is pre 2001 Said

1:02:55

that said that Paul and try

1:02:57

one would single Cody out

1:02:59

for criticism, but treated the daughter very

1:03:01

warmly She said they

1:03:03

were always loving on her touching her hugging

1:03:05

her telling her how smart she was how

1:03:08

beautiful They never said anything kind to him

1:03:10

or even that he was doing well Like

1:03:14

these teachers would say they would tell the parents Good

1:03:16

things about Cody on purpose to try to get them

1:03:18

to say something nice to him and they could no

1:03:20

matter what you said You could say he cured

1:03:23

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1:03:25

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fucking crazy. She said

1:05:28

that Cody excelled in

1:05:30

Bible-based competitions, like memorizing

1:05:33

scriptural passages and the

1:05:35

locations of books in the Bible. Which,

1:05:37

he's just a good student, it sounds like. He's

1:05:40

really good. But Paul would

1:05:42

not allow Cody to participate in

1:05:44

state Bible competitions, even though they

1:05:46

were into church. She

1:05:50

said, how does allowing a bad

1:05:52

boy to compete in the state

1:05:54

Bible competition glorify God? He

1:05:57

said, that's what Delbert, that's what Paul said. Paul

1:06:00

Astor. How does allowing a bad kid do

1:06:02

this glorify God? He's an embarrassment to God

1:06:04

is what he told this teacher, which

1:06:07

is fucking crazy. That's

1:06:09

wild. So let's talk about

1:06:11

cowboy now. I didn't

1:06:14

even have to tell you he was a

1:06:16

cowboy. No, no. His name is Slim Britton.

1:06:19

B-R-I-T-T-O-N.

1:06:22

Slim Britton over here is his name. He's

1:06:24

a cowboy who works on the ranch, obviously.

1:06:26

Slim. Now Slim, he worked

1:06:29

on the Donaldson ranch in 2004. That's a real

1:06:31

first name? It's a real name. I don't think

1:06:34

it's his real first name, but that's how all

1:06:36

anyone knows him as. They're calling him Slim. Even

1:06:38

in court, he's called up as Slim Britton. It's

1:06:40

got to be his legal name then. I think he

1:06:43

changed it maybe to that or something. Or it's New

1:06:45

Mexico and they're like, everyone calls him Slim. We call

1:06:47

him Slim. Like, I don't know. They're

1:06:49

beating children with sticks, James. This is

1:06:51

his name. This could be his

1:06:54

name. So he said, and this

1:06:56

is an old, he's an older guy too.

1:06:58

So this is an old cowboy. So you'd

1:07:00

expect discipline to be right up this guy's

1:07:02

alley and he wouldn't, wouldn't bat an eye

1:07:05

at it. But he said he saw Paul

1:07:07

throw a heavy rock at Cody one time.

1:07:10

Saw him wrap the boy's

1:07:12

hands with a hay hook for not

1:07:14

stacking bales of hay fast enough. Whacked

1:07:16

him with a hay hook. A hook.

1:07:18

I mean in his hand, not on

1:07:21

the side. Hooked him in the hand.

1:07:23

Oh my God. And through the thick glove, it

1:07:25

didn't go through. But it left deep giant bruises

1:07:27

and you know, hurt him really bad here. He

1:07:30

said that was for not stacking bales of

1:07:32

hay fast enough. Fast

1:07:35

going to 12 year old stack hay. Really.

1:07:37

You know what I mean? Those shits are

1:07:39

so heavy, man. He said he would

1:07:41

slap the boy with a glove. Take

1:07:43

his glove off and slap him with it. And

1:07:46

also just manhandle him when he didn't answer his

1:07:48

father with a sir. If he didn't answer with

1:07:50

sir, he would go over and beat the shit

1:07:52

out of him for it. What is this? Fucking

1:07:54

Simon says, Jesus. It's not the Marine Corps. This

1:07:56

isn't full metal jacket. This is a 12 year

1:07:58

old. It's different. Removing animals. food, you

1:08:00

son of a bitch. So Slim

1:08:02

said Cody carries a lot of weight for

1:08:05

a kid. He was called on to do

1:08:07

a man's job. He

1:08:09

just was supposed to be a full-time ranch hand and

1:08:11

do the same job they did. Meanwhile, he goes to

1:08:13

school during the day and he's a young

1:08:15

pre-teen for Christ's sake. So

1:08:18

he said though, they said, well, how come nobody

1:08:21

said anything? And Slim said the West is kind

1:08:23

of tight-lipped about things like that. You're

1:08:26

allowed to beat your kids out here on the ranch. Tell

1:08:29

your friend he's a dick. Yeah,

1:08:31

why are you beating your kid? Especially, you're a cowboy.

1:08:35

I will fucking beat your ass with my belt

1:08:37

buckle if you don't stop this shit. Touch that

1:08:39

kid again and we're going to fight. But

1:08:42

I guess Slim works for Paul. Paul's technically his

1:08:44

boss. He hired him. So that's probably part

1:08:46

of it. But still, I'm not going to stay at a job and

1:08:48

watch a kid get beaten all the time. That's not part of my

1:08:50

job. I'm not doing that. That's crazy. So

1:08:52

he said that what he didn't,

1:08:55

he didn't, you know, he said he didn't see everything

1:08:57

that happened on the ranch. But

1:08:59

he said that, you know, he said he did

1:09:01

see Paul being cruel and angry and abusing his

1:09:04

son. He called Cody

1:09:06

obedient and battered. He

1:09:09

said he, this is fucked up too. He

1:09:11

said he rides up to him and hits

1:09:13

him. Whack with the rope, just right in

1:09:15

the back. You're out of the drive. Whack

1:09:17

right across the back. And

1:09:19

they said this is with a coiled rope. And he

1:09:21

said, yeah, coiled rope. He's beaten

1:09:23

him with it, which hurts. That's not good. Now

1:09:26

Slim was fired a few months before

1:09:28

July of this year, before all the

1:09:30

shit went down with Sam Donaldson finding

1:09:32

blood. But he says

1:09:35

he saw trouble between father and son almost

1:09:37

every day, always excessively harsh

1:09:39

words that you shouldn't say to

1:09:41

kids, but also beatings often. He

1:09:43

said, he said, I never

1:09:46

saw a hand laid on him in love. And

1:09:49

they said never even an arm around the shoulder. He

1:09:51

said never, never once. It's

1:09:53

all bad and mean and, you

1:09:55

know, yeah. One

1:09:57

of the other ranch hands, a guy named Peter.

1:10:00

Hilo Vasquez testified about

1:10:02

another incident later on with a hay

1:10:04

hook in which Paul threatened

1:10:06

to cut off his son's

1:10:09

balls if he popped the clutch while

1:10:11

driving the ranch pickup truck again. I'll

1:10:16

cast you for- For pop, he

1:10:19

was like 13 at the time too. Shouldn't even be

1:10:21

driving. How good were you with three on the tree when you

1:10:23

were 13, Jimmy? Good on that clutch

1:10:25

or what? No? I don't think I would

1:10:28

have been that great either. I remembered- My finesse

1:10:30

of the clutch was uh- It took a

1:10:32

while to master. Yeah, it was not so

1:10:34

good. No, he said he

1:10:36

will cut his balls off if he

1:10:38

pops the clutch again. That's- Wow. What

1:10:41

the fuck is wrong with you? Rather than going, let

1:10:43

me teach you how to do that better. Slap

1:10:45

me back in the seat one more time, I'm gonna

1:10:48

slap you and then cut your balls off. And

1:10:50

the fucked up part is we find

1:10:52

out that the sister apparently was in

1:10:55

on this too. All this shit. She's

1:10:57

hitting too? Not hitting, but the sister

1:10:59

apparently was asked to keep an eye

1:11:01

on Cody and report back any- She's

1:11:03

snitching. She's snitching. Report

1:11:05

back any transgressions that Cody does to

1:11:07

the parents and then she would get

1:11:09

gifts for that. Wow. She'd

1:11:12

get rewards for telling on Cody for anything. And it would

1:11:14

be anything. Not Cody's out there

1:11:17

raping a cowboy or something. It was-

1:11:19

He's popping the clutch. Something mild, yeah.

1:11:21

He would do that. She'd be

1:11:23

rewarded and given gifts and all that kind of shit. So that's

1:11:26

who we're dealing with. This is the family.

1:11:29

When Sam Donaldson walks into the ranch

1:11:31

and sees blood everywhere, this is the

1:11:33

family he's looking for. Employing, yeah. And

1:11:35

employing. So back to July 8th, let's

1:11:38

go back where we started now in

1:11:40

our little pulp fiction adventure here. And

1:11:44

to Sam Donaldson calling the cops. He said

1:11:46

he couldn't reach his Paul Posey by phone,

1:11:48

so he and his wife drove out to

1:11:50

the ranch. Sam Donaldson entered

1:11:52

the ranch to discover all the blood, like

1:11:54

we said, and he immediately called a friend

1:11:56

and law enforcement to come over and check

1:11:59

it out. So

1:12:01

the deputy sees the blood trails,

1:12:03

the broken eyeglasses, follows

1:12:05

them out, backhoe, like we said, bodies out in

1:12:08

the manure. Now Sheriff

1:12:10

Tom Sullivan said the blood on the

1:12:12

porch, blood in the kitchen, blood in

1:12:14

the living room, and blood smears in

1:12:16

the kitchen, and blood chunks of hair

1:12:18

on the porch. Oh boy. Oh Jesus,

1:12:21

that, wow. Someone's head. Someone's

1:12:23

got a piece of their head missing, is what that

1:12:25

says. It was a crime

1:12:28

scene, a violent crime scene obviously. And

1:12:30

they said, were you thinking that the whole family had been

1:12:33

lost? And he said, well we didn't know, we didn't know

1:12:35

how many people even lived there, the sheriff said. We had

1:12:37

no fucking idea who we were looking for. We just were

1:12:39

like, holy fuck. More than

1:12:41

one person is dead from all this blood. This is

1:12:43

too much blood, yeah. So this is

1:12:45

now 4.30, goes into the

1:12:48

evening time, it's night time, so they bring in

1:12:50

shit loads of lights and everything, and all this

1:12:52

type of thing, and they're working through the night,

1:12:55

and that's when they found the backhoe

1:12:57

tracks, followed them, went down from the

1:13:00

house around some bluffs to an area

1:13:02

with the compost pile, and

1:13:04

the sheriff said manure pile. And so he just

1:13:06

happened to notice there was a lot of flies

1:13:09

buzzing around one spot, and we went up there

1:13:11

with a stick and just kind of moved some

1:13:13

things. We moved some of the dirt around, moved

1:13:15

some of the manure around, and you could see

1:13:17

the back of somebody's belt and a pair of

1:13:20

Levi's and a shirt with an arm. Yeah. So

1:13:23

they also found

1:13:25

what appeared to be blood in

1:13:28

the bucket of the backhoe, they said, and

1:13:30

had all the backhoe tracks. So there's

1:13:32

a lot going on here. Now they check out

1:13:35

all the other rooms, and

1:13:37

for signs of trauma and

1:13:39

peace or anything, and

1:13:42

they do find, not much, but

1:13:44

there's nothing else in the other rooms, but they find

1:13:46

in one room there's a computer desk, and

1:13:49

there's an open notebook there next to

1:13:51

the keyboard, and the note

1:13:53

written on it says, sorry, coppers, needed

1:13:55

the kid to do the dirty work.

1:13:59

That's what it said on it. Don't

1:14:01

know what that means. Sorry, coppers needed the

1:14:03

kid to do the dirty work, is

1:14:05

what it says on there. Okay,

1:14:07

now, the manure pile, back

1:14:10

to this. We'll get into some details

1:14:12

here. They did a walkthrough,

1:14:14

like we said at the house, and they noticed

1:14:16

the blood and the disarray of the house. Then

1:14:18

they dug through the manure pile to recover the

1:14:21

bodies. They're trying to

1:14:23

find out how many are even in there. They know of one.

1:14:26

As they start their search, they notice the arm

1:14:28

in the upper torso of, they

1:14:30

notice an arm of one victim in the upper torso

1:14:32

of another. So they go, okay, there's at least two.

1:14:35

As the manure was stripped away, they

1:14:38

reported the victims were dumped in there

1:14:40

in an erratic commingling. So

1:14:43

probably all three of them, all three of

1:14:45

them were in there, all just dumped in

1:14:47

there at once and then covered up. There

1:14:49

was no, nobody lined them up or anything

1:14:51

like that. So they said in all, there

1:14:53

was three bodies within the manure pile. On

1:14:56

top was Paul Posey, which

1:14:58

I'm not real depressed about. I'd be honest with

1:15:00

you. He was probably on the bottom. In

1:15:03

the middle is Marillia,

1:15:06

the daughter. She's there

1:15:08

too. And on the bottom is Tri-1. Wow.

1:15:11

She's down there. Their limbs were

1:15:14

intertwined in a blanket, they said. Marillia's

1:15:18

left cowboy boot had been removed and it

1:15:20

was on top of her body. So it

1:15:22

probably fell off and threw it in there.

1:15:25

A driver's license in the wallet of

1:15:27

the jeans identified Paul Posey as Paul.

1:15:30

The bodies are removed, put in body bags

1:15:32

and sealed up and all

1:15:34

that kind of shit here. Because they're taken

1:15:36

to the nearest place where you can perform

1:15:38

an autopsy for something like this is in

1:15:41

Albuquerque, which we told you is hours away

1:15:43

from here. Three hours away. Three hours away.

1:15:45

So the autopsies here, let's find out what

1:15:47

happened to these people. First

1:15:50

is Tri-1. Here,

1:15:52

let's talk, by the way, this is a fucking

1:15:54

weird thing. They didn't take them

1:15:56

like in an ambulance or a thing. They

1:15:58

had a transport company. whose

1:16:01

job it is to transport corpses. Like a

1:16:03

cold truck? Yeah, like their job is

1:16:05

to pick up a corpse and transport it,

1:16:07

which in this area where it's

1:16:09

rural, I guess that would be a lucrative business.

1:16:12

Probably happens a lot, yeah. So

1:16:14

they bring her to, they bring them to a

1:16:16

storage facility in Albuquerque, I don't know if it's

1:16:19

just like a self storage. I

1:16:23

don't know what kind of lock you use for that. This

1:16:26

is air conditioning out front, I guarantee that. I

1:16:28

know it does. The

1:16:30

doctor begins the autopsy by examining the

1:16:32

clothing and items found with Try One.

1:16:34

She had a blue shirt, blue jeans,

1:16:36

braided belt and brown boots, ranch

1:16:39

gear, ranch wear, yeah. Her shirt had been

1:16:41

pulled up over her breasts, but they don't

1:16:43

think it was in any sexual manner. They

1:16:45

think it was just from the

1:16:48

dragging is how it went. Her

1:16:50

shirt was out, so it pulled up. That

1:16:52

happens all the time. Somebody grabbed the boots.

1:16:54

Someone pulled her by the legs, exactly. Other

1:16:56

items that arrived with her body were a

1:16:58

white metal ring with stones and eyeglasses with

1:17:01

one lens missing. Those are the

1:17:03

ones I think they found. Now, the

1:17:05

examination observed some decomposition because it's

1:17:07

like 100 something degrees outside. It's

1:17:10

mid-July in southern New Mexico. And

1:17:13

they've been out there for a few days as we'll talk

1:17:15

about in a manure pile. Some

1:17:18

decomposition where tissue had softened and there

1:17:20

was discoloration as well. The

1:17:22

doctor said it was hard for him to

1:17:24

tell what she had looked like when she

1:17:26

was alive because of the decomp and the

1:17:28

gunshot wounds. Oh my God, her skin's already

1:17:31

tight and going away. Especially because

1:17:33

she was shot, as we'll talk

1:17:35

about, in the head, which makes

1:17:37

everything be able to get in there and eat everything more

1:17:40

efficiently. The doctor made

1:17:42

some incisions, removed the internal organs and all that

1:17:45

kind of shit here. He was trying to see

1:17:47

if he could remove the brain to try to

1:17:49

see if he could track the gunshot wounds and

1:17:51

see what structures had been damaged. One

1:17:53

bullet entered her forehead near the right

1:17:56

eye. A

1:17:58

bullet, so an actual bone. a shotgun.

1:18:00

Not a shotgun, a bullet, and fractured, they

1:18:02

think it's a .38 by the way,

1:18:05

and fractured the back of the skull where

1:18:07

it lodged. So all the way

1:18:09

through and then cracked the back of the skull but didn't

1:18:11

come out, wasn't a through and through. It

1:18:14

stopped. The second gunshot wound was on the

1:18:16

right side of the head in the temple

1:18:19

and there were pellets from snake

1:18:21

shot or handgun pellet ammunition in

1:18:23

that area as well. Interesting. Weird.

1:18:26

So because they're like, one of the shots

1:18:28

isn't snake shot and one of them's snake

1:18:30

shot. So they're like, that's interesting. Sometimes you

1:18:32

stagger those. Yeah, well we'll

1:18:34

find out exactly why. We'll get an explanation on

1:18:37

that luckily because otherwise it'd be like, why? Because

1:18:40

of the decomposition, the doctor couldn't tell the

1:18:42

true path of the gunshot wound within the

1:18:45

head. The size of the entry wound near

1:18:47

the eyebrow was determined to be about half

1:18:49

inch in dimension. The right temple wound was

1:18:51

about two and a quarter inches in size

1:18:54

and he removed 34 small

1:18:56

pellets from the wounded area, from the

1:18:59

right temple. When he removed the

1:19:01

bullet from the back of the skull, it was still in

1:19:03

one piece. So we know that's a slug. It's

1:19:05

interesting. So now they're wondering, two

1:19:07

guns, two people, what's the

1:19:09

deal here? So now here's Paul.

1:19:12

His body was in a similar state

1:19:14

of decomp they said as his wife.

1:19:16

He wore a blue and white button

1:19:18

down shirt, jeans with a ripped back

1:19:20

pocket, hearing aids and had nine keys

1:19:22

on a key ring because of all

1:19:24

the ranch stuff he needs keys for.

1:19:26

He had a single gunshot wound to

1:19:28

his head near the right eye. The

1:19:32

bullet, that's one thing about these ranch

1:19:35

people, they're good shots. Generally, yeah.

1:19:37

Yeah. Gonna be a good shot. Send a mass,

1:19:39

ain't a thing for them. No,

1:19:41

apparently not. This is all head shots, man. Paul,

1:19:44

so the single headshot near the right eye,

1:19:46

the bullet entered near the eyebrow area and

1:19:48

lodged on the left side of the brain.

1:19:51

The doctor recovered the bullet from his brain and

1:19:54

it matched the one that he found in his

1:19:56

wife's brain. So they're from the same gun because

1:19:58

of the decomp he couldn't find. the exact path

1:20:00

of that bullet either. When he

1:20:02

tried to determine the range at which the

1:20:05

gun had been fired, he said it was

1:20:07

very hard to tell because of the decomp,

1:20:09

gunpowder residue with decomp off of you, that

1:20:11

he said he judged it to be fired

1:20:13

at intermediate range, which sounds like, I have

1:20:15

no idea, I'm going to guess somewhere in

1:20:17

the middle. Here's a word

1:20:19

that means nothing. Yeah, exactly, intermediate,

1:20:22

somewhere in there. He

1:20:25

said there was possible gunshot residue on the

1:20:27

bone, which would have meant close range but

1:20:29

because of the decomp, he said he really

1:20:31

couldn't tell. A

1:20:34

.38 is rarely, I mean, that's not

1:20:36

target rounds. You're close

1:20:38

with a .38. That's a, yeah, well

1:20:40

this is at least within the realm of, in

1:20:42

a room together. Five feet, yeah. You

1:20:45

know what I mean? Because it's happened in the

1:20:47

house obviously with all the blood happening in the

1:20:49

house so they determine, everywhere in

1:20:51

that house is intermediate, you know what I

1:20:53

mean? It's not too far, not too close.

1:20:55

So they rule it gunshot wound to the

1:20:57

head, homicide, obviously. The last

1:20:59

body is that of the daughter, Maralea.

1:21:02

She had been wearing a bluish green

1:21:04

shirt, broad denim jeans, tan cowboy boots.

1:21:07

There were tears on her shirt in the

1:21:09

right shoulder and armpit area. The

1:21:12

tears were from an inch to nine inches

1:21:14

in length. It

1:21:16

would later be determined that these

1:21:19

tears and scratches on her under

1:21:21

that were caused by a nail sticking

1:21:23

out of the porch when she was

1:21:26

dragged. Oh shit. The nail caught her

1:21:28

shirt in her body and scratched her.

1:21:31

Everybody's got a porch with one nail, it's fucking, you

1:21:33

know, you got to hammer it back in and that's

1:21:35

what it is. So

1:21:37

when she was dragged across the area, her

1:21:39

shirt snagged. That's what they said. Now there's

1:21:41

two gunshot wounds to her head. She

1:21:45

got two. Five headshots is

1:21:47

what this says. One bullet

1:21:49

had entered the front of the head at the right

1:21:51

eye. This mother, someone has aimed.

1:21:53

He's doing wow. And

1:21:55

exited the back of her head. The other

1:21:57

had entered at the left jaw area and

1:21:59

lied. there. The wound in the

1:22:02

jaw area was not fatal and she still could

1:22:04

have moved around they said. So

1:22:06

she's still ambulatory. The wound to the eye

1:22:08

went through the brain and exited in the

1:22:10

middle of back of the head. That's a

1:22:12

fatal shot. So that's a hundred percent death

1:22:14

rate on that one. So

1:22:16

again gunshot wounds to the head is her cause

1:22:18

of death as well. So five

1:22:20

headshots is what this is. Unbelievable.

1:22:23

This is like the mob came and

1:22:25

wiped them out. This is crazy. So

1:22:29

anyway what they don't find anywhere

1:22:31

on this giant 23 mile

1:22:33

wide property. We're missing something

1:22:36

here is Cody. Where the

1:22:38

fuck is Cody? Yeah we're missing a member of

1:22:40

the family. They look at the pictures and they're

1:22:42

like we got nothing. Where the fuck is Cody?

1:22:44

They have another kid and Sam Donaldson knew that

1:22:46

too. He's like there's two kids and he was

1:22:48

like well we only found one. So

1:22:51

they said that a tip, an

1:22:53

anonymous tip, led them

1:22:55

to where Cody was and he

1:22:57

was at his friend's house near

1:23:00

US 70 just hanging out. He

1:23:03

showed up and yeah to hang out

1:23:05

with his friend. That's all he pulled up. How old is he?

1:23:07

15. 14. 14

1:23:10

sorry. He's only 14. He drove the pickup

1:23:12

truck over to his dad's house. Over to

1:23:14

this kid's dad's house and his friend where

1:23:16

his friend lived. But this is apparently very

1:23:18

normal for young teenagers to drive

1:23:21

around this area because ranch kids have to drive.

1:23:23

That's it. You get your balls cut off if

1:23:25

you don't pop the if you don't pop the

1:23:27

clutch properly. So yeah anyway

1:23:30

he's at his friend's house.

1:23:32

The friend's dad's name is

1:23:34

Faustino Salcido and his

1:23:36

sons are friends with Cody and

1:23:39

he said that Cody stayed with them

1:23:41

both Monday and Tuesday night. That's the

1:23:43

4th of July and the 5th of

1:23:45

July. They played basketball. They

1:23:47

went down by the river and had fun

1:23:50

and swam and shot off fireworks and had

1:23:52

a great time and the

1:23:55

dad here said we didn't suspect nothing because

1:23:57

he was all happy. We'd never seen him

1:23:59

like that. Never seen

1:24:01

him happy. Never seen him happy. Yep.

1:24:04

He said that before he was real quiet

1:24:06

and drawn away, he talked to you but

1:24:08

he wouldn't carry on a conversation. Monday

1:24:11

you couldn't keep him quiet. He

1:24:14

said, he then told me these were

1:24:17

the two happiest days he's ever had

1:24:19

in his life. The

1:24:22

two happiest days he's ever had in

1:24:24

his life and he thanked me repeatedly

1:24:26

for letting him stay. Thank

1:24:29

you so much. That guy thinks he's the fucking dad

1:24:31

of the year. I'm the greatest dad ever. What

1:24:35

do you want, bottle run? Black cats? There

1:24:37

you go. Fucking fire him off. I don't care.

1:24:40

You know, random ass kids coming over here telling

1:24:42

me I'm the best dad. Not even my kids.

1:24:45

Dods or burgers? One of each? No

1:24:48

fucking problem. I'm the best dad. You fucking bet

1:24:50

your ass. You got it, fucker. You

1:24:53

got a number one dad mug. Did you get

1:24:55

one from a stranger? I did. I

1:24:58

did. Boom. You're

1:25:01

number two at best. Fuck you. From

1:25:03

their fucking friends, kids, man. Nobody.

1:25:07

Me. Only me. Only Faustino

1:25:09

gets that. So

1:25:13

they talk to Cody. Cody tells the deputy

1:25:15

that he left home Monday morning. This

1:25:18

happened Monday afternoon and

1:25:20

he hasn't been able to contact his family. So I called

1:25:22

a couple of times. I haven't been able to contact them,

1:25:24

but I've been having a good time. I figured fuck it.

1:25:27

You're 14. You're checking

1:25:29

up on adults. You don't care. They're

1:25:32

letting you stay. You're wearing candles? Fuck

1:25:34

it. Yeah. Now the sheriff's deputies begin kind

1:25:36

of interrogating him there. And

1:25:39

the one guy here, a ranch

1:25:42

hand said, or not this guy is a

1:25:44

ranch hand, but the father said that's when

1:25:46

I went, his friend's father said that's when

1:25:48

I went and started asking questions to the

1:25:50

sheriff about why and what they're doing. Why

1:25:52

doesn't he have a lawyer he was saying?

1:25:56

He is treating him like more of a son than anybody

1:25:58

else ever fucking has besides his in his name. Fosino

1:26:01

is the number one dad. He really is. In

1:26:03

this guy's life, absolutely. Best dad ever. He

1:26:06

said, why doesn't he have a lawyer? Why are

1:26:08

they interrogating him without a lawyer? And they just

1:26:10

told me he's not being interrogated. Like

1:26:13

he doesn't need a lawyer. He's fine. No,

1:26:15

two are. That's weird. So they took some

1:26:18

photos of him at the residence and it

1:26:20

was noted that Cody had some burn marks

1:26:22

on his left shoulder. He's got a bunch

1:26:24

of pretty good sized burn marks on

1:26:26

his left shoulder that look pretty fresh. He's

1:26:29

more than a couple days old. Like

1:26:31

cigarette burn or just like... No,

1:26:34

burns. Something metal and

1:26:36

hot was put on him and burned him, like that

1:26:38

kind of thing. They asked how

1:26:40

he got him, how he got the burns, and he

1:26:42

said that he'd been welding at the ranch and stood

1:26:44

up and leaned against hot metal. So he got burned.

1:26:47

That was the one, yeah. They said, okay.

1:26:49

On closer inspection though, they said that the

1:26:52

burn marks later on, they say,

1:26:54

maybe they're older than what we thought they were,

1:26:56

but we'll find out they're not. So

1:27:01

the friend's father said about Cody, he

1:27:03

didn't show no emotion. He kept asking

1:27:05

them, what's happening? What's happening? Why

1:27:08

are you asking me all these questions? Because

1:27:10

they didn't say, hey, your parents are dead.

1:27:12

Let's talk about it. They just came over,

1:27:14

started asking them questions. He said, why are

1:27:16

you asking me questions? And the guy said

1:27:18

that the father said Cody

1:27:20

was all calm going, why are you asking

1:27:22

me these questions? And then he finally broke

1:27:24

down when the deputy said, we're

1:27:26

taking you down to the station to talk to you more.

1:27:28

They said he started crying and broke down. This

1:27:31

father went with him to the station, said, I'm going with

1:27:33

him. I'm going to treat him like he's my son here

1:27:35

because someone's got to look

1:27:37

out for this kid basically. I want to find this guy

1:27:39

and send him a mug. He's fucking great. I really want

1:27:41

to. What a guy. What

1:27:44

do you say? And a number one

1:27:46

dad mug. And a number one dad mug. He

1:27:48

said that's when he started crying saying that he

1:27:51

knew it was wrong, but that the world would

1:27:53

be better off without them in this world and

1:27:55

he was tired of all this abuse. He just

1:27:57

started crying and saying this as they're bringing him

1:27:59

to the car. Cody was doing that. So

1:28:02

the father said that Cody told

1:28:04

them that this is what he

1:28:06

heard on the way. That

1:28:09

Cody said he was cleaning the corral and his dad

1:28:11

didn't like the way he cleaned it so he smacked

1:28:13

him a couple times and told him to go into

1:28:15

the house. Cody

1:28:18

said at that point he went got into

1:28:20

the barn, he went into

1:28:22

his sister's saddle bag, got

1:28:24

her .38 caliber pistol and went into the house.

1:28:29

He said that his mom was in there, that's

1:28:31

what the dad said, the friend's dad, it's not

1:28:33

his mom but try one, his mom was in

1:28:35

there, that's the one he shot first. Then

1:28:37

the dad and the sister came in and he shot them

1:28:39

too. That's what he said. He told the cops on the

1:28:42

way to the station. Now

1:28:45

the father said also the boy told the deputies

1:28:47

his father hit him with a shovel and tried

1:28:49

to strangle him over the weekend. And

1:28:52

we'll find out one other thing that he says that

1:28:54

they did a little later here, which is

1:28:57

the weirdest shit of all. Of all

1:28:59

this stuff that we've talked about, we

1:29:01

haven't touched weird yet guys. Oh boy.

1:29:04

Haven't touched weird yet everybody. So this

1:29:06

guy, he goes down with the

1:29:08

station like we said and this guy also says

1:29:11

the pattern of abuse was well known to his

1:29:14

family, this friend's family and his sons who were

1:29:16

friends with him and to the community as well.

1:29:18

Everyone knew that this guy was abusive to his

1:29:20

son. Why didn't anybody go over there

1:29:22

and threaten this guy's life? I don't understand. Faustino,

1:29:24

you're a good dude. The five cowboys

1:29:26

go over there and go, we hear you lay another fucking

1:29:28

hand on that kid. They're going to

1:29:30

find you in a manure pile motherfucker. We're going

1:29:33

to make it look like an accident too. We know

1:29:35

how ranch accidents look and we can cause one. Treat

1:29:39

them like good fellas treated the mailman. Yeah, exactly. Turn

1:29:41

them around a little bit. Well, yeah, put his head

1:29:43

in the oven, see what he thinks about that. So

1:29:46

the two sons said that they recalled

1:29:48

many instances when Cody would show up

1:29:50

at school with black eyes and other

1:29:52

bruises. Oh for fuck's sake. They

1:29:55

said that they asked the sheriff's deputies,

1:29:57

did they ever investigate any of this

1:29:59

abuse? and the sheriff said, I can

1:30:01

say we did not. He said if

1:30:03

a teacher reported it, we would have done

1:30:05

something about it. Oh, sir. But nobody reported

1:30:07

it. The one instance of abuse was in

1:30:09

a different county, if we remember. That was

1:30:12

not Lincoln County, a different county. So

1:30:14

they find a box of Remington 38

1:30:17

caliber shells in

1:30:19

the pickup truck that Cody

1:30:21

drove over to his friend's house.

1:30:23

That's Paul's pickup. And

1:30:27

they said, by the way,

1:30:29

Babacco had been returned to his original spot. That's

1:30:31

nice. He parked it back where it was. Yeah,

1:30:33

oh, sure. They found his

1:30:35

bloody clothes on the floor

1:30:37

of Cody's bedroom closet. He just put him

1:30:39

in his closet. And

1:30:43

before he left the property, he

1:30:46

kicked the glass on the porch door to make it

1:30:48

look like a break-in. Because he

1:30:50

didn't know what else to do. Now, they

1:30:52

sit Cody down, and they take him to

1:30:54

what's called a safe house, which is a

1:30:56

room for interviewing children, which

1:30:58

sounds creepy as fuck. We'll take him to the special

1:31:01

place. Take that child to that

1:31:03

place where nobody will find him. Take the

1:31:05

child in that secret room. Yeah, yeah. And

1:31:07

then two adults are gonna go in there.

1:31:09

Okay, good. So this is

1:31:11

two officers, a male officer and a female officer.

1:31:13

They begin the questioning here. And they said, okay,

1:31:16

do you feel comfortable talking to me in Melissa

1:31:18

like we did before? And

1:31:20

he said, yes, that's fine, I'll talk. He

1:31:23

said he was tired of being hit by his

1:31:25

father and that his father had hit

1:31:27

him constantly for years. He

1:31:30

said, I got tired of him hitting me, yelling and screaming

1:31:32

at me all the time. He hit me all the

1:31:34

time and I couldn't take it anymore. He

1:31:37

then said, well, what's he done to you? And

1:31:39

he said, well, let's go over the list of

1:31:41

what he's done recently. He's

1:31:43

choked me until I nearly lost consciousness.

1:31:47

I was awakened by, a lot of times,

1:31:49

by either an electric cattle prod or

1:31:52

cups of cold water poured

1:31:54

on my face. That's how he woke me up. That's

1:31:56

very nice. He said he would punch

1:31:58

me in the gut, hit me. in the face with

1:32:01

the wire end of a fly swatter. So

1:32:03

the handle part is wire. Um,

1:32:05

he would throw hay bales at him and hit him

1:32:07

and knock him over. If he was doing anything wrong,

1:32:10

being forced by his father

1:32:13

to shoot a puppy. Could

1:32:16

this guy get any worse? By

1:32:18

the way, he's going to get worse in a minute,

1:32:20

but shooting a puppy is like a, that's

1:32:22

a something you go. What are you going to do now?

1:32:25

Kill a puppy. Jesus Christ. Like how much worse than you

1:32:27

shoot a puppy. Given

1:32:29

by a friend, the

1:32:32

dog had had some kind of injury and

1:32:34

the dad made him shoot it rather than take

1:32:36

it to the vet. Um,

1:32:38

then being forced to repeat the

1:32:40

sixth grade by his parents after

1:32:43

they told the teachers, the boy was immature. The

1:32:45

teacher said, no, no, he's great. He's the top

1:32:47

science student we have. And they said he's immature.

1:32:49

He's doing it again and made him do sixth

1:32:52

grade again. Yeah. Sorry. Still did that. Still thought

1:32:54

it was funny. We played dumb and dumber for

1:32:56

him. He laughed like a fucking maniac. He's out.

1:32:59

He just kept laughing too immature. He

1:33:02

loves Adam Sandler movies. He'll do it. Oh,

1:33:04

and like, like post wedding singer, Adam Sandler

1:33:06

movies. He likes like not even like the,

1:33:08

you know, the good ones from the early

1:33:11

days. Yeah. He was like really into click

1:33:13

and then he wanted to go see click in the

1:33:15

theater. He wanted to go see the, I didn't

1:33:17

even know the fucking name of it. The one with a bunch

1:33:19

of couples where they do shit and it's boring. I don't know.

1:33:22

It's the name of that bullshit where

1:33:25

he bought everybody a car for being in it.

1:33:27

Cause it's terrible. Is that what it's called? That's

1:33:29

grownups. Fuck. Which one is

1:33:31

it there? I know he made like it's grownups.

1:33:33

He made like multiple movies too. Yeah. Couples

1:33:36

of trees has been small. Yeah. There

1:33:38

you go. So, um, being forced

1:33:40

to repeat the sixth grade, he was,

1:33:42

he recalls being dragged by a rope

1:33:44

behind a horse. What

1:33:47

the fuck is that? They used to do that

1:33:49

to criminals in the old way and the old

1:33:51

list. Around his feet or around his waist. He

1:33:54

doesn't say for making a mistake during ranch

1:33:56

work. That's what he said. That's why roped

1:33:58

him and drug him. God, that's wild.

1:34:01

He said I've lost count of getting

1:34:03

punched slapped kicked. That was a normal

1:34:05

thing around my household They say he's

1:34:07

very polite. He's very matter-of-fact. He said

1:34:09

I can remember getting hit in practically

1:34:11

every part of my body Yeah

1:34:14

Now he claims that this

1:34:16

is the fucked up part All right, he

1:34:18

claims that on July 3rd the night of July

1:34:20

3rd Yeah, his dad called him into his bedroom

1:34:23

and it was father's bedroom. Yeah, and he was

1:34:25

like, oh boy, what's going on now? What am

1:34:27

I gonna get hit for now when

1:34:29

he walked in there? His stepmother

1:34:31

was naked on the bed And

1:34:34

his dad was standing next to the bed. Okay

1:34:37

step try one just lay

1:34:39

that cowgirl naked Oh

1:34:41

naked not even boots. Nothing. No, not even just

1:34:43

a naked with a belt and a big buckle.

1:34:45

Nothing. She's got nothing on The

1:34:48

father said have sex with your stepmother Okay

1:34:53

Okay Then he said

1:34:56

I said no, I don't want

1:34:58

to have sex with my stepmother. Yeah, you

1:35:00

know, that's weird He said

1:35:02

then his dad burned him with a welding rod

1:35:04

in his shoulder and that's where his burns came

1:35:06

from Yeah,

1:35:08

he said dad took a welding rod and burned me

1:35:10

with it because I wouldn't have sex with my stepmother

1:35:12

and then he ran Off he said that he he

1:35:14

said no his dad burned him and he ran off

1:35:16

the property So he just ran as fast as he

1:35:19

fucking couldn't took off out of there because he was

1:35:21

bleeding him Yeah, then

1:35:23

he came back the next morning. He stayed out

1:35:25

all night Yeah came back the

1:35:27

next morning and was going to just do

1:35:29

his ranch work like he had to go

1:35:31

with the stalls Yeah, and he said his

1:35:33

dad slapped him a few times across the

1:35:35

face for not cleaning the horse stalls fast

1:35:37

enough Okay, that's

1:35:39

when he said that's enough and walked out

1:35:42

of there walked into the barn Got

1:35:44

the 38 and walked into the house Yeah,

1:35:47

so By the way,

1:35:49

he said he replaced the birdshot or

1:35:51

the birdshot ammunition which was used for

1:35:53

killing snakes With bullets

1:35:55

before but he missed one. He must

1:35:57

only done that so He

1:36:00

then went inside the house where his

1:36:02

stepmother was lying on the living room

1:36:04

couch reading a book. Oh.

1:36:07

Yep. He said he shot her in the

1:36:09

head twice when he saw her in there. He said he

1:36:11

shot her a second time to make sure she was dead,

1:36:13

he said. He didn't know. So he's never

1:36:15

done this before. So he's... I

1:36:18

don't know. I'm not fucking stalls. Like, murder? Come

1:36:20

on. Once in the front of the head,

1:36:22

once in the temple. He said

1:36:24

the first shot was actually the snake shot. That's why...

1:36:27

It's a place because the first one just went into

1:36:29

her temple with the snake shot. Then he shot her

1:36:31

through the forehead. So

1:36:33

Paul, hearing the shots, ran

1:36:35

inside with stepdaughter trailing close

1:36:38

behind him. Yep.

1:36:40

Cody sees Paul walk in, one

1:36:42

shot, bang, right in the fucking head puts Paul down. He's

1:36:45

a good shot this kid. I'll give him that. Next,

1:36:47

he pointed the gun. Stepfather

1:36:50

went down and there's a stepsister standing there.

1:36:54

And so he said he shot her in the head

1:36:56

for fear that she would turn him in. He said.

1:36:58

I thought she would tell. So then he dragged

1:37:00

the bodies out of the house and loaded them in

1:37:03

the bucket of the John Deere backhoe, he said. He

1:37:06

said he tried to bury them in a nearby

1:37:08

plot of land, but he couldn't break through the

1:37:10

ground. Because if you know anything about the Southwest,

1:37:13

you can't dig. It's impossible. I believe

1:37:15

she is a motherfucker. Yeah. You can

1:37:17

think about it and you think, oh, it's like sand.

1:37:19

It's not at all. It's rock fucking hard. If you

1:37:21

put a pool in in Arizona, they have to dynamite

1:37:23

the earth. A lot of times. You can't just dig

1:37:25

it. If it's not just Phil, it's a nightmare. It's

1:37:28

yeah, it's you can't dig on this shit. It's

1:37:30

really, really hard. Even with a giant John Deere

1:37:32

backhoe, he couldn't dig it up. So

1:37:34

he said, fuck, what do I do then? So

1:37:37

he, you know, he did that. That didn't work,

1:37:39

which is the scratches they found on the ground

1:37:41

and the other tracks. So then he said he

1:37:43

just bury them in a shallow grave in a

1:37:45

manure pile. He said after

1:37:47

the murders, he changed his clothes, gotten

1:37:49

his father's truck and went to the

1:37:51

store for a can of Sprite. Which

1:37:55

I think that's, that's better than having

1:37:57

LeBron murder. than

1:38:00

having LeBron on your commercial down in one

1:38:02

after a game. It's

1:38:06

like his dad's brain matter on

1:38:08

his hands just down in a

1:38:10

sprite. It's the champagne of the

1:38:15

vengeance of child abuse. Celebratory. It's like

1:38:17

a recovery aid. Like, ooh, if I

1:38:19

got to get some electrolytes back in

1:38:21

my body. Gatorade must have been

1:38:24

pissed when they heard about this. They

1:38:26

were mad. Like, damn it,

1:38:28

we're the ones that can arrive. Fucking god damn

1:38:30

it. Sprite keeps taking this from us. So

1:38:33

they cannot find the gun, by the way.

1:38:36

Really? Nope. They said that he drove to a friend's house

1:38:38

and he stayed there until he was arrested. He took a

1:38:40

sprite to his friends and then had the best two days

1:38:42

of his life. Hell yeah. He said,

1:38:45

so he said that he

1:38:48

attempted to, he said, you know, he didn't know why.

1:38:50

He thought he could just dig a hole

1:38:52

easy and it didn't work. So that was a big deal. He

1:38:55

said that he, Jesus

1:38:58

Christ, he also said

1:39:00

that he has had to have sex with a

1:39:02

stepmother before. This isn't

1:39:04

the first time? He said she would grab

1:39:06

my head and put it on her breast, is what

1:39:08

he tells the cops. So

1:39:11

that's interesting. That's something.

1:39:14

He said that it was just constant. He said his father

1:39:17

would hit him a lot. He said it was two or three

1:39:19

times a week. He'd be punched or slapped or hit

1:39:22

or something. He said, but often his stepmother did

1:39:24

it too. And also she was even meaner with

1:39:26

the insults. So he describes

1:39:29

one incident in which his father hit him

1:39:31

so hard that he knocked him off a

1:39:33

chair and left a bruise on his face.

1:39:35

Just knocked him down with it. He

1:39:38

said that Paul told him to tell

1:39:41

his friends that he accidentally hit

1:39:43

him while they were playing ball. Tell

1:39:47

them we were playing catch out in the yard there