0:00

Listen, Casper seemed pretty chill. You

0:02

know what I mean? Like, there seems to be some ghosts

0:04

that are like. He didn't know. He didn't know the whores yet.

0:06

He had not broken his innocence as a ghost. That's true.

0:09

Who just raw dog opened the can? Was that you, Aaron? Was

0:11

that you, Flexin?

0:12

No, that would be Jason Waterfall. Jason,

0:14

my man. Sorry, I thought I was muted.

0:16

I was muted and then I had to come back. I like that he

0:19

went off. He thought that if he turned off his camera,

0:21

we couldn't hear him. Yeah. I like that. It's

0:24

like object permanence up in here.

0:25

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Hi Jamie, on this spooky week

3:42

before Halloween, see there's no fun pun, so

3:44

I just had to say it. So it's just like, you know, missionary.

3:47

Missionary position up the top here, gah. We're

3:49

gonna be talking ghosts. So to

3:51

begin, I wanna ask you, do you believe in ghosts,

3:54

point blank? 100%, 100%.

3:56

I love that. No hesitation.

3:58

I love the idea.

3:59

All the ghosts I believe in are pretty

4:02

happy and pretty energetic.

4:04

That is it on the ghost idea probably

4:07

Looks like Casper seemed pretty chill. You

4:09

know what I mean? Like Go

4:12

even though he didn't know the horse yet.

4:14

He had not broken his innocence. That's true. That's true Who

4:16

just raw dog opened the can was that you Aaron was

4:19

that you know, that would be Jason

4:21

waterfalls Jason my man What all

4:23

right? I was muted. I was muted and then I had to come back

4:25

I like that. He went off. He thought that if

4:27

he turned off his camera, we couldn't hear

4:30

him Yeah, like that.

4:31

It's like object Herman is up in here. Keep it.

4:33

Keep that in Aaron Take

4:35

the take the religious stuff out of here and get it out of here. Do

4:37

you believe in ghosts? No

4:40

Well, it doesn't make any sense to me if you're

4:42

a ghost why are you hanging around

4:44

my bathroom? Why are you what I was

4:46

there to do you can go anywhere you can do anything

4:49

Yeah, maybe your bathroom's got some interesting stuff

4:51

going on. No, it is. Why are you not like sneaking

4:53

in? Why are you not going to see the errors? Maybe you've been a

4:55

ghost for 700 years and you're like now it's time

4:57

for your Aaron's bathroom. No, I think

5:00

like you just you can do so many things that you can go to

5:02

the World Series You can go you could go

5:04

white. Well Paul's there. I like

5:06

that the best of it. She could think I'm off the

5:08

cuff No,

5:09

I said the world here is electric.

5:11

It is. Yeah, I'm saying

5:13

I think it would be really fun to go to the World Series You

5:15

could go to the college World Series. I like that.

5:18

That's right. That's right. Yeah, you could go to

5:20

a UAB Blazers game Go Blazers go

5:22

blazers.

5:22

It's been a tough. I don't know if people are

5:24

saying maybe you curse them Aaron Because

5:27

welcome back. Obviously, we're glad you're healthy. We're

5:30

any healthy ish, you know, we're glad you're back with

5:32

us We miss you. Thank you. Yeah, I think

5:34

we I don't know if we talked about this on faith adjacent

5:37

But I'd always read I'd

5:39

heard the Paul Mooney bit of like if

5:42

there's ghosts There would be slave ghosts everywhere

5:44

in the south. So like you have to acknowledge that

5:49

Why can't ghosts have freedom? Why

5:51

are they gonna stay what they were?

5:53

Well, I think if the whole idea of the ghost

5:55

is to avenge something an injustice they experienced

5:58

during life Oh that you've

5:59

put a lot of weight on that

5:59

that ghost. I just think a ghost is like, I

6:02

died and I'm still around and here's a

6:04

version of me. That's my thing. Like why

6:06

would they be just like hanging around your

6:08

bathroom? I can't. Well, my bathroom is

6:10

a good time.

6:11

I'll be like, you don't even like your

6:13

bathroom. Well no, it is a Tuscan 1991

6:16

bathroom, but I

6:17

like what happens there. We have a good time. We watch

6:20

some YouTube videos. Maybe they're learning some stuff

6:22

about retinol. I don't know. I

6:23

like what happens in your bathroom. That is, that's a

6:25

take man.

6:26

Clean up, clean out.

6:28

You know what I mean.

6:28

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean for

6:31

a weird kind of ghost, I guess that's like the, the, what they're

6:33

going for. I did, I looked at the definition

6:35

obviously because since we're doing an episode

6:37

on ghosts, it does feel good to have a baseline

6:39

of like, okay, so we can, we

6:41

can get between like some of these contrary definitions

6:44

that we're talking about. Right. And obviously like if you

6:46

go to websters or anything like

6:48

that, a ghost, uh, AKA is

6:50

an apparition of a dead person, which is believed to

6:53

appear or become manifested living typically

6:55

as a nebulous image. I feel like that's a very broad

6:58

kind of comprehensive idea of what we all assume

7:00

yours might be a little happier, but I think mostly

7:03

we all kind of agree on that. Yes.

7:05

And so do you, so you do not believe

7:07

in ghosts?

7:07

No, I don't. I think, uh,

7:09

it's for babies. Uh, it's, it's

7:12

ridiculous. It's fun to think about, but

7:15

it makes no sense. You know, which guys are the best baby

7:17

ghost. Baby ghost. Oh my

7:19

gosh. No, they're just super fun

7:21

and they're like tickly and fine. And I

7:24

like maybe go out what you're saying. You have no basis. We have

7:26

gone. I think you're,

7:31

I think baby ghosts don't actually exist.

7:33

You don't like, no one was like, I, I interacted

7:35

with the cutest cuddliest baby ghost. What

7:37

if they're in charge? What if they're the supervisors

7:40

of all the ghosts? That's what boss baby movie.

7:42

Gosh, it's incredible. I looked

7:46

under a dictionary, what ghost meant. And the best

7:48

one I found said a username that 12 year olds

7:50

like to use to feel edgy on video games, uh,

7:52

but wind up backfiring and show who they truly are. Parentheses

7:56

inbred southerners from Louisiana. Stop

7:58

it. Wow. That's the toughest.

7:59

Parentheses ever

8:00

yeah, but you will

8:02

see that username. I personally I played

8:05

with a roof Yo, that was my username in

8:07

honor of a quick from hook, but

8:09

I had my ghost era as well So I do I do

8:11

have to admit that I just ordered ghost max

8:14

shoes from Brooks. What are those? What does

8:16

that mean?

8:17

They're white. They're very bad watched

8:19

a tick-tock and he convinced me the designer But

8:21

it's really for runners. So I don't know what I'm gonna do

8:23

in them, but they

8:24

are cute I never know the Brooks to

8:26

you I never know who knows what could happen with

8:28

those So in honor of the

8:30

ghost idea Jamie, do you want to talk about? Maybe

8:34

like a pop culture thing that haunts you perhaps

8:36

Yeah, these are just things I think about all the time and by

8:38

all the time I mean once a week minimum minimum

8:40

minimum Like if something in this topic comes

8:42

up I think about these things so Star Wars Let's talk

8:44

about Star Wars and how it haunts me. There's

8:47

some plot holes. There's a lot actually There's

8:49

a time we could get into the technical things about maneuvers

8:52

and things that don't make sense But I actually just want to get

8:54

into you Luke and Leia Leia

8:57

says in the return of the Jedi She describes

8:59

her mom in detail Like she talks about

9:01

how she looked and how she felt when she was around her

9:04

and she was taken away from her as a newborn So I

9:06

don't like that. Oh,

9:07

maybe maybe she's a liar though Maybe

9:09

that's what that was meant that

9:10

could be the lay of the liar Absolutely, and

9:12

then Luke listen her twin

9:14

brother also taken because they're trying to hide

9:17

them the twins from their father

9:19

who's now Darth Vader and

9:21

not great But I like that they're like we're gonna

9:23

put you on another planet from your sister We are

9:26

gonna let you have your dad's last name like

9:28

that's how hard we're working behind you like

9:30

what

9:30

it's great planning To be like we're stashing

9:33

you on the crappiest don't be a planet

9:35

ever But we're gonna give you his last name

9:37

and then to come into the current era again Palpatine

9:40

just came back like he's just first

9:42

of all he's decrepit

9:44

Yeah, and he died plus force

9:46

ghost like what's the point if they can just come back

9:48

in and do an inspiring third act monologue

9:51

Like that's not any fun. Like the force goes

9:53

just being like, oh we died and it was sad But

9:56

also here we are to give you more advice

9:58

now see I do I would be into

9:59

the ghost idea if they

10:02

were like, we can't come back and do anything. We can't like

10:04

have like, we can't do have powers

10:06

or anything like that. But we can just like give

10:09

you good context on stuff. You can ask us questions.

10:11

And we can do better. Like a therapist ghost, but now

10:13

I cannot teach you any force maneuvers.

10:16

Yes, I like that a lot. Right. That would be

10:18

really good.

10:18

Like you have some unresolved daddy

10:20

issues. Yeah. Yeah.

10:23

I think that would be helpful. I like that. Um, you

10:25

know, pop up those are things that haunt me. I've got,

10:28

um, this is like a baked in one. If this

10:30

is probably true for you, I won't, I won't speak for you,

10:32

but I feel like it's probably, uh, true as well.

10:35

That's to your 16th since that strip wasn't good. It

10:38

was one of those.

10:39

Why was it not good? It

10:40

just, it just wasn't in it. The

10:43

stars involved and the

10:45

moment that it was occupying everything

10:47

felt set up for success. And

10:49

then you watched it and like, that's when

10:52

I, I watch, I'm bad about like, if I see one game

10:54

of someone, I'm like, that person is going to win MVP all my

10:56

money in. And I put all my money on Amanda Pete.

10:59

I was like this Meryl Streep.

11:01

It basically sounds the same. And then she really

11:03

didn't do much after that. Um, but it

11:05

just, uh, Matthew Perry, it didn't, it

11:07

didn't pop off Riley Whitford. Um, even

11:10

Sarah, cause Sarah Paulson, I

11:12

always want to call her Polly and I know it's not Polly

11:14

and my brain gets, but

11:15

that is a person. So that's

11:17

the, yeah. And my brain's like, Hey, that's a different

11:19

person, but you don't even know the real one. I don't have space for you. That

11:21

would be helpful to have a ghost. Be like, Hey, this is what you're looking for. Here's

11:23

some context on it. But yeah, I just, it made me really sad

11:25

that that never popped off. You

11:26

know, the only good thing I think that came out of studio 60

11:29

was that Amanda Pete and Sarah Paulson became

11:31

best friends because of that. And now they make weird

11:34

Instagram live videos where they

11:36

seem a little high and they make

11:38

a lot of jokes about Holland Taylor,

11:40

Sarah's

11:41

old wife. It's a delight.

11:43

Like respectful jokes are like shade. Oh, a

11:45

hundred percent respectful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't,

11:47

I still not over Amanda Pete and fatal attraction and

11:49

whatever is happening with her and her character. What

11:53

it was.

11:53

I'm so sad for her like that. She

11:55

couldn't get better gigs. Yeah. My

11:58

next one is of course. And I think it's something that. All

12:00

of us is the reproductive journey of the smurf

12:02

and trying to understand it. Okay I

12:05

did learn through my research many

12:07

over the many years that I've pondered this that smurfs

12:09

are generally a one gendered species They're

12:11

all male. So they're supposed

12:14

to be like an originally it was just boys

12:16

just boys Which is always great love that patriarchy

12:18

in our comics, but and then the

12:20

babies are delivered by a stork Okay, then

12:23

we got smurfette and you know Gargamel actually

12:25

created smurfette out of clay Okay,

12:28

um to lure this smurf

12:30

away, but she was a brunette and you can't

12:32

lure anybody Brutus can't lure people.

12:35

That's ridiculous.

12:35

Wait, I mean gargamel feminist. That's

12:38

a bigger question. Maybe so well

12:39

so she was rude at but then she went and

12:41

she infiltrated and She wanted to become

12:43

a real smurf and so Papa smurfs cast

12:46

a spell and he made her real smurf and

12:48

that's why she became Blonde which I think is also

12:50

why I struggle to this day with the

12:52

blonde versus brunette Psychotomy that

12:54

we've been served by pop culture through

12:56

Archie and all the comics that

12:59

why we're comics trying to end Then of course

13:01

Cassie was brunette. That's why she was single all

13:03

those years. I don't understand that Listen,

13:05

I love to run for it I also think she represents

13:08

the women in your life who don't have girlfriends

13:10

right like she's I'm a guy's girl

13:12

I'm a guy's girl But again, I know

13:14

there are more girls now because now we have the Katy

13:17

Perry smurfs and like I know

13:19

they've added They're like, oh we added some girls don't worry about

13:21

it But I'm just saying in the classic for so many years

13:23

for literally decades We were

13:25

just like it's a hundred of them and then

13:27

there's this one girl. What I don't like

13:29

that There's no one in love. I don't

13:32

like it.

13:32

So when you said She

13:35

wanted to be a real smurf So

13:38

they made they made her blonde and that

13:40

made like well He put a

13:41

curse on her and that turned her hair blonde and it was like,

13:43

oh now you're smurf fat

13:45

and that so the curse Made her a real smurf.

13:47

They did well, not a curse. I spell a

13:49

sink has to spell

13:51

Okay, Casa spell but before that

13:53

I wasn't a smurf She was because

13:55

he goes Gargamel made her as he

13:57

made her out of clay and he made her to infiltrate

14:00

the smurfs and lure them away from Papa

14:02

Smurfs.

14:03

Okay, I'm hesitating on bringing

14:05

up human clay the Creed album that's really good

14:07

and you guys are probably love.

14:08

No, no, no, this is the perfect point to put it in.

14:10

Like

14:11

should we talk more about that? I'm seeing them, I don't

14:13

know if I'm seeing them on tiktok and he works his way over to

14:15

Instagram or they're starting an Instagram. That's 100%

14:17

how it works. Yeah, the tracks.

14:19

Susie and her pesto just made it to Instagram. But

14:21

I was like, Oh, look, Susie and her pesto

14:23

made it. Yeah, you don't even know what that is. And

14:25

you don't have to know what that

14:26

means. I kind of like the wave of this like time zones

14:29

like the New Year gets to me in a couple hours. I'm

14:31

excited to see it. Like when do

14:32

you get to see the lunar

14:35

eclipse? Well, it'll be in an hour and a half.

14:37

Yeah, I'm still waiting to see the dog

14:39

in the bones and all that kerfuffle. You

14:41

know what he is Noodles is a ghost. I guess

14:43

he's bones

14:46

now, right? He's all bones. Yeah, I'm gonna

14:49

do I'll do I'll do a back

14:51

to back here because these are quick. The last season

14:53

of Game of Thrones.

14:54

It really haunts me because I feel like it's such Yeah,

14:57

like in it had such

14:59

cultural authority. Everyone was invested

15:02

in everyone was talking about it. Like, if

15:05

it could have landed the plane capably, I think

15:07

it would have been qualified as the greatest TV

15:09

show of all time. And I don't think anyone

15:11

would have disputed that. But the way it unraveled,

15:14

I think a couple weeks ago, I think we were talking about

15:17

with the rolling film, like top 100 of

15:19

the 21st century TV shows. And it was

15:21

like middle of the pack. And I don't

15:24

think either of us disagreed with that. Because

15:26

of how bad the final season was. I

15:28

think it's a testament to you can build up

15:30

a great resume. But if you blow

15:32

it on like the last little bit, like you're screwed,

15:34

it's over.

15:35

So you know, George RR Martin,

15:37

who wrote the books that the show is based on, he

15:40

just came out in the news and was like, Hey, stop

15:42

pestering me. The wins of winter is 75%

15:44

complete. But it will take

15:46

three to four more years before it comes out.

15:49

My dad by

15:50

then he'll be a ghost. And that's not even

15:52

the final book. That's not even the final book

15:54

in the series. What are you talking about?

15:56

Yeah, I would respect it more if he's just like, guess what? I'm not

15:58

writing it. I'm done. Me too

16:00

because

16:00

it's been 12 years stop pretending stop

16:03

ending.

16:03

I'm a writer you guys gonna get pissed You're gonna be like you

16:05

should have done that show to that. It's a no-win

16:07

situation and he's probably living a nice life You know,

16:09

that's right. That's right. Um

16:11

another pop culture thing that haunts me And

16:13

I think the pond most of us are just lyrics that we

16:15

don't understand from songs that

16:17

we love perhaps for me I just want to share

16:19

a few maybe you can tell me what they mean. Okay first

16:21

that Red hot chili peppers give

16:24

it away right 1991 classic.

16:26

He says I'm a lowbrow, but I rock a little know-how

16:29

got that I feel like I understand that then he says

16:31

no time for the piggies or the who's scowl

16:34

Okay, what do you think who's scowl is can

16:36

I get a spelling on that? Who's

16:38

as in moose? H-O-O-S-E

16:40

gal as in cow

16:41

G-O-W

16:43

Gal who's no time

16:45

for the piggies or the who's scowl is that no time

16:47

for the fatties

16:49

or as a fatty

16:50

For those who are new I'm saying that as a fatty

16:52

no time for the fatties and the is

16:55

that drugs is who's gal a drug?

16:58

Is it

16:59

could you use in a sentence or do you want me?

17:01

I just did in this lyric no time for

17:03

the piggies or the who's

17:04

I don't know what it is That's

17:06

not I mean like make it the subject of a question

17:08

for flea. You're gonna have to ask flea,

17:10

you know, I did Google it

17:12

while you're talking And

17:15

evidently it's slang for jail.

17:16

It's a jail. No time for the peas. Oh the

17:18

place

17:18

in the jail. That's what it is

17:21

Listen you're helping me get rid of some ghosts. Okay,

17:24

yeah Boom boom pow

17:26

by the black-eyed peas. Okay, 2009

17:29

obviously you think I'm gonna say the lyric.

17:31

I'm so 3008 You're so 2000 late,

17:34

but that's a great lyric. Okay, that's a great lyric,

17:36

but then she says a beat so big I'm

17:38

stepping on leprechauns.

17:40

Okay

17:41

But why why would

17:43

the beat be so big but yet the

17:45

only step I can take is over a tiny leprechaun

17:48

Shouldn't it be like steps so big? Beat

17:51

so big I'm stepping on James and

17:53

the giant peach.

17:54

Oh You're saying like you need it like

17:56

you need another talk like a Victor one beyond like leprechaun

17:59

doesn't feel like

17:59

You don't have to lift your leg that high. You

18:02

know, you don't believe your who scowl that

18:03

high You can just be a

18:05

song from again human clay one of the best items

18:08

of the last few years and it would be big Enough to step

18:10

on a leprechaun. That's right. Okay. That big. Yeah.

18:12

Okay. Good. That's helpful

18:13

And then so that's just a bad lyric and then finally

18:15

bang bang by Jessie J Ariana

18:18

grandi and Nicki Minaj. Okay,

18:21

so she says bang bang into the room.

18:23

I know you want it bang bang

18:26

all over you I'll let you have

18:28

it. Okay, so I thought I knew what bang

18:30

bang was But now I don't know what bang bang

18:32

is. You know what bang bang is. I

18:35

assume it is sexual intercourse So

18:38

bang sexual intercourse into the room.

18:40

I know you want it sexual intercourse

18:42

all over you. I'll let you have it Okay.

18:44

Well, that makes a good she makes a good taste You

18:47

know, I I did get

18:49

some so from last week's episode I think

18:51

we talked about my nephew and

18:53

going to a Japanese steakhouse which some people were

18:56

like, hey Old-timer we call

18:58

him a bachi places in our day

19:00

in the current iteration of time Which

19:03

I didn't know that I didn't know that there was you know

19:06

That this was the 1930s Germany with language and stuff

19:08

like that. I just thought we were talking but

19:12

the People didn't understand I was

19:14

saying white sauce and evidently it's there's

19:16

different like forms and formulations. I

19:19

heard bang bang sauce referred to This

19:21

white sauce at a Japanese steakhouse slash a bachi

19:24

place

19:27

I thought I thought

19:28

what I thought yum yum was the pink sauce

19:31

Yeah, see that's what some of the people Erin

19:34

you were very nice when you just said that and disputed it a

19:36

lot of people

19:39

Cuz I thought there was pink sauce white. Oh,

19:41

yeah, you're right

19:41

So you can't think sauce

19:43

and pink medicine. That's that's a no,

19:46

those are very clear boundaries for me, you know

19:50

Is that

19:52

what bang bang is my fall bang bang

19:54

all over you

19:55

Not a fan of that let's

19:59

see I also had things the Haunas. I

20:01

remember when my sister saw a movie, she

20:03

saw a movie, she's like, that was probably the coolest movie I've ever

20:05

seen and had a twist. I was like, Oh, I kind of

20:07

want to know what it is. And she's like, do you think you'll see the movie? I was like,

20:10

No, I don't think I'll see it. Because it's from a director

20:12

I don't recognize. M. Night Shyamalan something

20:14

not interested. So she,

20:17

I'm not gonna say she spoiled it because I said, Hey, tell

20:19

me what happens. That's not on her. That's on me.

20:22

And then I saw it. I was like, Oh my gosh, this movie would have been

20:24

so much the best twist in all of cinema history.

20:26

It really is. You don't know what it is. Yeah. And there's no

20:28

reason for me to ask to have it spoiled. But

20:30

I did. So I felt young. That would probably be the perfect

20:35

moment for little teen knocks.

20:37

It was that was my fault. That was

20:39

my fault. And then I also have that

20:41

either Selva never got to be bond, you

20:43

know, like he was the the

20:45

broccoli family was trying to figure out who the next bond was going to be

20:48

right after Daniel Craig. And in that

20:50

span of time, either sub was born. He came

20:52

of age. He was on the wire. He was

20:56

on Luther. He became a DJ.

20:59

And now he's old and he can't be bond anymore. And

21:01

I just feel like if they would have been a little more timely about it, he could have

21:03

been.

21:03

I know. And I'm sad, like, because again, the

21:05

broccoli family just came out and we're like, again,

21:07

as a reminder, we learned this in a previous episode, the

21:10

broccoli family did invent broccoli, like the

21:12

actual vegetable. And so

21:14

that's not that is a true fact. But

21:16

it's they were like, Oh, we still haven't figured

21:18

it out. Like we just don't know. Like if you

21:20

guys it was two years ago, when

21:22

Dino Craig was done, and you're like, I haven't even thought

21:24

about it. Is that it was really

21:26

like they probably stopped filming that thing four

21:28

years ago, because remember, it got delayed because the pandemic,

21:30

they've been done with him for

21:33

what feels like

21:33

five years. Yeah, it's I don't like

21:35

it. I don't like it. All right, anything else to haunt you?

21:37

Well, I mean, I don't want to like revisit

21:40

the lyrics. But also, even though the gods are

21:42

crazy, even though the stars are blind, what

21:44

do you think Paris meant by that? There

21:47

are nine writers on that song, by the way, because I was

21:49

like, did Paris even write this? She did not. That's

21:51

a dope song by that. I'm not even I'm not I'm

21:54

not thinking on the song. What I'm saying is I don't

21:56

understand how stars are blind.

21:58

Like what hour they've been And why does that affect my

22:00

love life? If they are blind. That

22:03

does

22:03

feel like a very drug induced line you write and you're like,

22:05

that's so that's a good as a tight line.

22:07

And then you think about it like I don't that doesn't even make sense. That's

22:10

crazy. No, but I sing it with pride. Yeah.

22:12

Yeah. I don't understand it. My

22:15

last one is that the ghost of a Christmas Carol, the

22:17

Charles Dickens story, you know, yeah, I

22:20

think it honestly that there's I don't understand the

22:22

ghosts of Christmas Carol like they're

22:24

so mismatched, you know, because

22:26

Christmas, the ghost of Christmas past looks

22:28

like, like essentially

22:30

favorite ghost in all of history. It doesn't

22:32

make it looks like a sensuous precious moments figure. That's

22:35

like now doing stuff, you know, got some assignments and like

22:37

trying to get in the in the game.

22:39

Christmas present, to me looks like if

22:42

Jesus did gummies, like did too many gummies. And

22:44

he was just like, what's up, green robe, big

22:46

beard, kind of gingerish got a crown. What do you

22:49

need? What we're talking about?

22:50

You know what he'd have those snacks, because people

22:52

who are high on the marriage, Jane, they

22:55

always got a snack in their pocket. Yeah, that's helpful. I

22:58

say that as somebody who eats a lot of snacks when she takes

23:00

her belt.

23:01

And then Christmas, he had to come. That's

23:03

just a grim reaper without his sickle. And like he

23:05

just forgot to bring a sickle. So he pointed everything, you

23:07

know, grim reaper

23:08

killed you know,

23:10

the grim reaper comes and collects you after

23:13

you're dead. What is

23:14

grim reaper's job? This is a great question, because I don't know why

23:16

is the sickle because it implies that he is going to

23:18

murder you with the sickle. Yeah, however, he does not. He

23:20

just

23:20

that's how he killed your spirit. Yeah,

23:22

and he's not get out of you like with the sickle

23:24

like a little like public transportation. He's like, Hey,

23:26

I'm here to get you right now.

23:27

Like if babies are choking, you're supposed to

23:29

crook your finger to get into their mouth to

23:32

get their whatever their cheerio they're

23:34

checking

23:34

on. No for the audio intense hand

23:36

washers. You

23:38

know,

23:38

like yesterday, you're supposed to crook your finger.

23:41

And that's how you get somebody choking if you go

23:43

in.

23:43

I'm sorry, ma'am. Did you just think I'll

23:45

just say it again with the same hand gestures

23:48

and we would now understand what

23:48

you're saying. I'm just making sure I'm remembering

23:51

it right.

23:51

And I think I am. And so that's

23:53

what I felt like the sickle was doing. The sickle like snags

23:56

your spirit out of your body.

23:57

Okay, with somewhere.

23:59

Yeah, no. I mean, I think it's just like just

24:02

thematically it just doesn't

24:04

matter like ones like the mentor one's

24:06

happy Jesus one's like little

24:09

precious moments, baby and Their

24:12

clothes don't even match. There's not like a vibe

24:14

match It's just all like cobbled

24:16

together and I don't know

24:17

and that and like a ghost being

24:20

happy is nice But you're right. It is a cobbled together

24:22

trio. Yeah, it's just it's

24:24

a bad stew and then last thing this

24:26

is topical I tried pickled jalapenos

24:29

this week. What do you think and they're pretty good. They're pretty good

24:32

Man, did you love that

24:34

you like that limp that limp bang

24:36

bang stop it? How do you know what you had? Have

24:38

you done in the bowl yet?

24:40

No, I haven't got that was the first one and

24:42

I tried to put in like a like a big rice bowl with some chicken

24:44

Yeah, I slated it. I was like, I'm not gonna hide

24:46

you. I'm gonna eat you on your own I'm gonna

24:49

tell you and hey, it was underwhelming, but it was pretty good.

24:51

It's pretty good. How's that? Good cake to it. I'm really

24:53

happy for you, man. Yeah, it haunts me I

24:56

haven't given pickle stuff a shot, you know, so

24:58

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27:01

Okay, that's some things that have haunted

27:03

us. Jamie, like when you think about ghosts

27:05

and ghost-centric ideas or performances or stories,

27:08

you want to talk about your favorite?

27:09

Obviously because I'm pro-ghosts here in

27:12

this company, I was thinking back, when

27:15

did ghosts imprint on me? When is

27:17

my first core memory of ghosts? And it is of course what

27:19

many of my age first memory

27:21

of ghosts is, and that is Blinky,

27:23

Pinky, Inky, and Clyde from Pac-Man.

27:25

Oh, of course. Yeah. Right? First

27:28

ghost

27:28

I've ever encountered in pop culture, I was

27:30

five years old. I also learned about personality

27:32

typing systems because I was so obsessed

27:34

with Pac-Man that my mom would be like, okay,

27:37

because I wanted to be Pac-Man, I wanted

27:39

to be one of the ghosts for Halloween. Okay. And I was

27:41

like, how can I, which one should I choose?

27:43

And she was like, well, the pink one is a girl.

27:46

And I was like, tell me more about the ghost. What

27:48

do you know about that? Go on. And she found out

27:50

that Blinky, so this is about

27:52

personality typing. So I think people think

27:55

the ghosts are all the same, but they're not, even strategically

27:57

when you're doing gameplay. So Blinky is red.

27:59

He's allegedly a boy. He's

28:02

the most aggressive as a ghost. He chases

28:05

That like always from behind okay? Pinky

28:09

pink she's deceptive, but

28:11

she always ambitious pac-man from the front Okay,

28:14

I don't know if you've ever noticed that then inky who's

28:16

blue is friends with blinky the red one

28:18

and they work together to

28:20

make pac-man make a wrong move and Find

28:23

them in the middle. It's like a little threesome and then

28:25

there's Clyde who's orange who I would say

28:28

is non-binary because Sometimes

28:31

Clyde is listed as a he and sometimes

28:33

she's I will say they but

28:35

the problem is it's not a good representation for

28:37

non-binary because Clyde is stupid and Please

28:41

if pac-man if you get too close to Clyde

28:43

Clyde will actually turn around

28:45

and let go the other direction Oh, okay, Clyde's

28:47

like hey. I don't really want to be here.

28:48

That's right So which do you think I dressed for

28:50

it's Halloween which did you think do I did did I

28:52

choose red pink blue or orange?

28:56

I mean, I think you know

28:58

The obvious answer is pink, but it is what

29:00

okay the way you're asking it made me think it wasn't it was Clyde I

29:02

thought I was gonna be Clyde.

29:03

No, it is a hundred percent blinky. I was red.

29:06

Listen, I was my favorite color pink I was very

29:08

anti pink. I've been a tiny little feminist

29:10

my whole life Now I understand that as a feminist you

29:12

can embrace pink and still think that men

29:14

and women deserve equal opportunities But

29:17

I like chasing people and so that's

29:19

all I did at the hobo supper at

29:22

my church Chase people the

29:24

whole time. Okay. I do you the swing?

29:26

Yeah, listen, I have loved I

29:29

don't I guess it's just the the season

29:32

and I feel like we're more Open

29:34

to hearing different interpretations of Halloween from an

29:37

evangelical lean but lens, but I feel like I've seen

29:39

a lot of Like his voice

29:41

is hallowed no we necessary

29:43

kind of posts, you know, and I

29:45

really like that I really like that.

29:47

Listen my godson who's a teenager.

29:49

He went to a judgment house

29:51

last weekend Let's bring him back. They're

29:54

around you guys people are having

29:56

helicopters crash in on their gyms at

29:58

their churches. I love it

29:59

If we're saying no bad ideas

30:02

in brainstorming, what if the podcast did a,

30:04

instead of live shows, what if we did haunted houses?

30:07

You know, what if we were

30:08

judging? Like, and what, the

30:10

best part would be, it would start with Indian Evan,

30:12

just kind of lighthearted and fun, and then it just

30:15

goes downhill from there.

30:16

You walk in and they look at your shoes, what are

30:19

those? Ooh, gross, get out of here, you're not invited. And

30:21

it's just like, it gets worse from there. I'm in, I'm

30:23

in, let's write that down. I'm 100% in. I think

30:25

I'm gonna go Scary Stories to Tell

30:27

in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz. That's

30:30

a good one. You're talking about your Pac-Man

30:32

experience and everything. This was the formative

30:34

book for me because

30:36

I'm not trying to be that guy or that kid,

30:39

but I do feel like I was reading it before everybody was into

30:41

it. Oh, I was 100% like that. I do feel like I was on

30:43

the cutting edge. It came out in 81 and I was

30:45

born in 82, but I do feel like somehow I was ahead

30:48

of the curve on this book

30:50

series. Maybe it's just like the kids in my school, I don't know.

30:52

But I would always check it out. When we would go on a

30:55

vacation, we'd drive like eight hours to four

30:57

or whatever, and I'd check out like 10 books and just read

30:59

the whole way. And I would always come back

31:01

to this one. Do you think this

31:02

is how you learned a lot because

31:04

you really love short

31:05

stories. You think that's where this came from? I

31:07

have no idea. I do know it's how

31:10

it, like one summer on a trip

31:12

to, I don't know, I think we went to like St. Petersburg

31:14

to my grandfather, my great grandfather,

31:17

who did like Nazi minstrels and seeing us. So I

31:19

was like, oh, this is weird as a kid. Why

31:22

are we here? But that summer

31:24

I read Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. I read

31:27

one of the, I don't know if it was like the Haunter or

31:30

the Haunted Mask Goosebumps. And

31:32

I watched Ragnophobia. And- Oh,

31:34

that's a trisecta. It was a big summer. And

31:37

that's why I never went back to horror. Because I was like, this

31:39

is, I think I gave myself a Ragnophobia and

31:42

I hate horror stuff and content. Yeah,

31:44

that'll

31:44

do it. Like if you have to, because I think that was what

31:46

was good about me. I think I loved horror as an adult because

31:48

I didn't come to horror at

31:49

all, other than

31:51

that one poltergeist thing that I watched at my church.

31:54

I know, right? Accidentally.

31:57

Other than that, like it wasn't until

31:59

Scream. Like when I was in college,

32:01

but I was like, oh, I love horror. I love

32:03

the way that this makes me feel This feels like when you're falling

32:05

when you think the roller coaster is gonna break. I love

32:07

it. Yeah Yeah, that's a good that's a good explanation

32:10

of it because otherwise it's like this

32:12

is this is the worst thing ever and I Remember

32:14

hearing people talk about the exorcist and

32:17

I was like, I can't watch that I'll freakin go to hell.

32:19

I'll literally go to hell if I watch the exorcist. Like why would you do

32:21

that? Why can that exist? No, you can't but now it's

32:23

like I love dabbling in the exorcist.

32:26

It's kind of fun No, thank you. Not for me.

32:28

No, thank you. Okay.

32:28

My next one is listen This is also

32:31

a childhood quarant moment and it is a favorite

32:33

ghost and is that flying Dutchman the

32:36

flying Dutchman? I love a ghost ship

32:38

It's creepy and it's like

32:40

ghost to the nth degree because the ship

32:42

is a ghost but also everybody on the

32:45

ship is a ghost Like the captain's

32:47

a ghost and then like if they're passengers

32:49

or if there's just a cool like guy that's

32:52

in charge of the back Part of the boat. I don't know what his

32:54

job is, but he's also a ghost and

32:56

listen I do not ask with the ocean but

32:58

I love freaking boats I love being on

33:01

a boat and I love it and look

33:03

I think Viking cruise Aaron and I did relics

33:05

and ravioli By December and

33:07

it was kind of a ghost ship because everybody was 85 years

33:10

or older except us and so it

33:12

had its own Ghost vibes, but look here's

33:14

why I love the flying Dutchman. I have only

33:17

vomited in public one time

33:19

one time only Really only one

33:21

time only

33:21

one time and it was getting

33:24

off of the six flags over Georgia

33:26

flying Dutchman ride The ship

33:28

that would loop all the way around and I

33:31

that's when I realized I do not do

33:33

great in circles Whether they're up and down or

33:35

left to right. It doesn't matter I'm not good at circles

33:38

and I Threw up and I remember I

33:40

was with my youth group and they made fun of me because

33:42

I

33:42

threw up next to the trash can But

33:44

here's the thing I didn't throw up in the trash.

33:46

No big toddler energy of like mom Six

33:49

run to the bathroom throw up on the thing. It was one

33:51

of those trash cans

33:53

Where it's covered on the top and it only

33:55

has that little opening in the front And I don't know if you're

33:57

familiar with how big my head is, but

33:59

I'm not gonna be a able to throw up and almost,

34:02

I'm supposed to turn my head to the side. Okay.

34:04

I'll allow that. It's got the penthouse locked

34:06

in. So you have only a sliver. No, I'm

34:08

not. No, I can't

34:09

do that. So I threw up on the left. That was a

34:11

funnel cake that I really missed. Worth

34:12

it. Would have been worth it. 100% worth it. Yeah.

34:15

It was a great ride. How did love it. Okay. So you're

34:17

talking about the flying Dutchman, the ride. That's what

34:19

you're talking about.

34:20

Well, no, I'm talking about the flying Dutchman as

34:22

a concept because it's often in movies and

34:24

the ghost ship, you know, it's called the flying Dutchman. I've

34:27

never heard about the flying Dutchman. The only,

34:29

this is like hand of God. The only context I had

34:31

on flying Dutchman was Hans Wagner, the

34:34

shortstop from like the 1900s was called the flying Dutchman.

34:36

What was he called that? Could he fly? Like, could

34:39

he run fast?

34:39

Very fast. Okay.

34:41

So it's the flying Dutchman German. Is that what that makes

34:43

sense? German's not Dutch. Isn't that

34:46

which countries are Dutch? Just super fast.

34:48

Aaron, look it up and let's see if Noxon, I can guess

34:51

which countries are Dutch. The

34:53

Netherlands. Is that a country?

34:54

That was my first guess because

34:56

I thought it's a, it's the Hague or

34:59

the Netherlands. I don't know if the Hague is in the Netherlands.

35:00

Aaron, can you give us a number? How many things

35:03

are Dutch? How many

35:05

countries are Dutch?

35:06

Yeah. With your broken

35:08

torn wrists and your giving me. Wait, is the Netherlands

35:11

and Holland also the same thing?

35:12

No, it's Holland. You're right. It's Holland. Y'all are

35:14

asking a lot of questions.

35:17

Ask Google which countries are Dutch. I am.

35:19

And I don't know that it knows. Aaron,

35:22

did you know what the flying Dutchman was? It's a boat,

35:24

right? Is it a boat? It's a flying Dutchman because I

35:26

say it's a ghost ship called the Flying Dutchman.

35:29

And that is what the ship is. Cause that's when

35:31

you go to the Flying Dutchman at Six Flags, there

35:33

are like creepy ghost noises. There's

35:36

like weird moaning. I

35:39

only know that because the pirate

35:41

movie,

35:42

isn't it in the pirate movie? Yeah, in the pirate movie, that's

35:44

a ghost ship. He's like, we're the Flying Dutchman.

35:46

No idea. Never heard of any of this. This

35:48

is what it used to be. The man

35:48

with the octopus face?

35:50

Yeah, exactly. What's his name?

35:52

Barboat. Scarred.

35:54

No,

35:54

he's not. No, that's a different scar. But

35:56

the original one was the black

35:59

haired guy. dead from Harry Potter but the

36:01

other one.

36:01

No. He hasn't called him Barbosa. Gary Oldham.

36:04

Barbarossa. Yes. So Holland

36:06

is Dutch. Is that what we learned? I don't think

36:08

Holland is a country.

36:10

Holland is not a country? I want that

36:12

whole conversation of us

36:15

trying to figure out who the captain of

36:17

the Pirates of the Caribbean ship. I said it three times.

36:19

Aaron said yes and then mispronounced

36:23

it. I've never heard of

36:25

this book. You said Barbosa. I

36:27

think it is Barbosa. It is Barbosa. Yeah. I'm

36:29

not trying to. It's Barbosa. I still

36:33

think you're wrong. It's

36:35

Barbosa and it's Jeffrey Rush. How

36:38

mad are these listeners? I think

36:42

he's not dead. Because of memory sir. Are you alive?

36:45

Jamie, you said it's Gary Oldman but

36:47

I think you said Oldham.

36:48

He said Oldham. Well because that's

36:50

how it's spelled.

36:51

No it's not. It's spelled

36:53

Oldman.

36:53

Oh is it Oldman? I don't

36:55

know. You can't get to Oldman from Oldham. You

36:58

just can't. Oh sorry. My bad. My bad. What

37:00

a mess. Jeffrey Rush. Jeffrey

37:02

Rush

37:02

who is a lab and well and Australian.

37:04

He's not Dutch at all. Are you kidding?

37:06

Yeah he's Australian. So I just

37:08

want to on behalf of all of us I want to apologize.

37:11

I think it's important for everyone to see. Because the

37:13

people don't come here for facts. They don't.

37:15

But you know this is this is

37:17

a fun story. Do you know why the Romans called

37:20

the barbarians the barbarians? No. You don't have

37:22

to guess. There's no way you could know that. I don't have

37:24

no idea. No. Because it was like a dig. It was

37:26

shade they were throwing at them because they thought the way they talked

37:28

sounded like bar bar bar bar bar bar. So they just called

37:30

them barbarians. Oh that's

37:31

pretty good. That's just like burns. That's a good burn.

37:33

Pretty good burn. That's a pretty good burn.

37:35

We all wanted me to look up

37:36

what countries are Dutch. So you have an answer? Yes.

37:39

Your first answer was Google

37:41

can't doesn't know. Well then I asked.

37:43

We asked Erin to look up what country.

37:45

How many countries are Dutch? That's what we asked her to look

37:47

at.

37:47

And then I changed the question. Because remember

37:50

I said I think Holland and the Netherlands are

37:52

the same thing.

37:52

Oh okay.

37:54

Right? I'm into that sure. I don't know. I

37:56

don't know. I don't know.

37:59

We're like Holland's not

38:00

a country. No, I think it is and I

38:02

think Aaron Aaron said Holland's not a country

38:04

I think it is like yeah, I think it is but

38:06

I don't understand where it is. Where's Amsterdam?

38:08

Is that a country? That's in no, that's

38:11

the city.

38:11

That's where you can do drugs and have sex. Yes, that is

38:14

and other things

38:15

other things Like

38:18

a lot of what are you the tourism board? I like you like the other

38:20

things can happen I think

38:21

there's

38:23

a

38:23

lot of bicycles Do they

38:25

have the lock from the little yeah,

38:28

there's

38:28

a great library anymore. I don't very

38:30

old man gave us money for this It's good

38:34

Okay, which countries are Dutch I think it's just

38:37

one oh, yeah

38:37

Okay, that

38:39

was my working theory, but I love

38:42

no, I think

38:42

it's Netherlands Dang, I don't

38:44

think it there's a Netherlands. Oh, it's

38:46

not the Netherlands.

38:47

It is to me. It is So

38:50

stupid You're

38:54

saying

38:54

Holland and Netherlands are two different things.

38:56

Okay, it says the Netherlands

38:58

is a country But

39:01

it is the Netherlands consists

39:04

of 12 provinces

39:06

Well, that's like the United States has 50 states. I

39:09

don't think that's what it means

39:11

Canada has provinces. I think they're 13.

39:13

I think you're right. I don't know what the provinces

39:15

are Just another way to say

39:18

like a smaller thing Okay Holland

39:20

has frequently been used to informally

39:23

refer to the whole of the modern country

39:26

of the Netherlands They are the

39:28

same

39:28

Fusing I could have for

39:30

Holland was it something if you're listening

39:32

and you live in the Netherlands Do you prefer

39:34

to Holland or do you want it? Are you like

39:36

the Netherlands?

39:37

Don't answer that because we're too stupid to do

39:39

anything with that information Just

39:41

pray for us. That's all we ask you to do.

39:43

I'm pray for our stupid faces. I'm

39:46

so sorry We're wasting your time. We're

39:49

dumb I'm gonna do

39:52

let's talk about the smoke monster Jamie.

39:54

That's one of my It's

39:59

wonderful because

41:59

just because people were coming over and there was a timeline

42:02

on it. It was like, I had said it. And so

42:04

it's like, Oh

42:04

no, they're coming and they're dressing as people from

42:06

the show. So I have to do it. Yeah.

42:09

That's good.

42:10

Okay. What else

42:12

you got? Mine, of course. Listen, this is my sexual

42:14

awakening ghost. And I know for somebody listening, you're young enough that for you,

42:16

it's Casper. I get it. Yeah. For

42:19

some of us, it's

42:21

Sam Wheat from 1990s, iconic supernatural romance

42:23

film. Right.

42:24

Okay. Cause you have to take it back. 14 year old

42:26

Jamie was hormonal. She wore glasses.

42:29

She was overweight. Her mom would let her wear

42:31

makeup, but neither of them knew how to put it on. Jamie

42:34

was just trying to find her way in rural Alabama.

42:36

And then she discovered Sam Wheat. Now she already

42:39

knew, listen, I already had my Patrick Swayze

42:41

moment because of Dirty Dancing. He's

42:43

so hot. He tries to solve his own murder even

42:46

after he's dead. He's just trying

42:48

to protect Molly. To me more with

42:50

the best pixie

42:52

that's ever lived second only

42:55

to maybe Winona Ryder. And then hot villain

42:57

Tony Goldwyn, who I was kind of like, why

42:59

am I also attracted to him? Like

43:01

I had to figure some stuff out as a 14 year old. Plus I didn't know

43:03

ghosts could be so sexual. And Patrick

43:06

Swayze was named sexiest man alive the very next

43:08

year. And I'm not surprised by that. Of course

43:10

not. Now, are there some sketchy things in

43:12

this movie, like a villain being called

43:14

Willie Lopez?

43:15

Yes. Okay. Of

43:18

course there

43:18

are. Or that the psychic is a woman

43:21

named Oda Mae Brown who also goes

43:23

by Rita Miller. Yeah. None

43:25

of that. But man, Patrick

43:27

Swayze and that pottery wheel,

43:30

very sassy. Very

43:32

sassy.

43:32

I feel like

43:35

if that was made into a modern situation,

43:37

you could put eight episodes of Netflix.

43:42

Eight episodes of this on Netflix, he never

43:44

leaves the wheel. They never leave the pottery. They're

43:46

just making complete absolute

43:49

train wrecks of pottery. But

43:52

it's wet and it's gooey and they're on top of each other. Well

43:54

you can open

43:54

up a private tab and I bet you can find that right now.

43:57

Like you don't even have to wait on Netflix for sure.

43:59

We talked about favorite

44:01

guests. Yeah, we least fear because I have

44:03

so many but I will narrow it down for you And

44:05

obviously the number one for all this little thing. I'm sure

44:07

is moaning Myrtle.

44:09

Thank you. It's on my list, too Oh my gosh

44:11

when so

44:13

not scenario and I we recapped all

44:15

of the Harry Potter movies because I had never seen them and I had

44:18

not read the Books because I'm just I'm

44:20

old remember I was my sexual awakening is Patrick's

44:23

lazy, so but listen

44:25

super sad. She's super sad, which is not

44:27

my favorite vibe Her

44:29

haunting isn't a wailing the

44:31

moaning the fact that moaning

44:34

is in your title.

44:35

I'm out of moaning I'm out of the morning

44:37

because

44:37

I find moaning to be unless

44:40

it's in the right circumstance is more annoying than

44:42

spooky It's just yeah, spooky. Yeah.

44:44

Well, I actually interpret is it's more

44:46

of a sexual term than it is That's the kind

44:48

of I know

44:49

but that I don't want that either because look now was

44:51

I interested in that unresolved sexual tension with

44:53

Harry And that tub.

44:55

Yeah, that was a cul-de-sac of unresolved sexual tension

44:57

just so you know But I also

45:00

have real problems with moaning Myrtle being 14

45:03

when she died Uh-huh by the serpent

45:05

of Slytherin wheeler. Okay, and

45:08

but she's also portrayed by an actress who was 37 Don't

45:12

love that.

45:12

Don't love it. How like it let's let's figure

45:15

this out because She's born in 1928 and

45:17

when we she rolls up on us in the bathroom,

45:20

that's the viewers or the book readers It's 1992

45:23

so she's 64 at that point.

45:25

Yeah, but that's not the math. That's not the

45:27

transphobic math, right? It's her math

45:30

is

45:31

Listen, it's she's 14. She

45:33

died. Yeah, but she's lived for 64 years.

45:35

So I would say it's 64 I

45:38

think I just don't like that. There's a 64 year

45:40

old woman hanging on the bathroom for

45:43

forever And I don't like during the

45:45

Star Wizard Tournament when she's like I

45:47

watched Edward take a bath with his weird egg

45:49

And I know what he did with it So that's

45:51

what you want to do with it and here is like do you watch

45:54

I think he literally says like do you watch people? Take baths and

45:56

she's like sometimes she's submitted it basically

45:59

And you're exactly right. I don't like that.

46:02

She has sexualized her

46:04

post human form and

46:08

It's with teens

46:09

and I get that she is sort of a team

46:11

but also 64 Yeah, but like I

46:13

don't like that because what happened is

46:16

she sexualized Harry and so I was like

46:18

am I sexualizing Harry? No, I'm

46:20

sexualizing Dana Reichel if he was a grown man.

46:23

Sure. Oh, that's different. That is I

46:26

like that you're splitting the hairs. You're here's

46:28

how Jimmy be golden and moaning my column The

46:36

only I just I don't like that she looks like Harry Potter

46:39

either she looks like Harry Potter She looks like

46:41

him and I don't like that because there's incest vibes But

46:44

I also remember in

46:45

the book like she gets Draco to talk about his

46:47

plans like he just comes to bathroom He's like, oh, I

46:50

gotta figure out how to kill Dumbledore You have any thoughts and

46:52

then just like that's bad for her. You need to report

46:54

that see something say something But

46:56

for Draco, I just I don't know man like

46:59

keep a low-profile Protocol

47:01

when trying to do

47:02

a callback but Aaron that's a ghost that

47:04

hung out in the bathroom

47:05

That's a point like what's she doing? Why is she

47:08

doing that? Yeah, why is she just hanging out

47:09

there? Jamie you're citing her as someone that

47:11

is your least favorite ghost hanging out in the back

47:13

I know I'm just saying for factual purposes She

47:16

did like to say in a bath you are making

47:18

a case against your own self that

47:20

I that happens

47:20

often Don't go bathroom. So I

47:23

have

47:23

nothing if not living by double-c. Okay

47:26

I'm gonna do the headless

47:28

horseman. I really don't like that Legend

47:32

of Sleepy Hollow by Washington Irving

47:35

the story's not even good because it's not like a

47:37

suki story They're like it was probably this other guy who

47:39

got this other guy to like fall off his horse and die

47:42

or like run away from embarrassment And

47:45

I just think like Tactically,

47:48

it doesn't make a lot of sense to be like

47:50

I'm the guy who lost my head and

47:52

I have to carry my head around So in the afterlife,

47:55

I can't get a reattach like in Beetlejuice where I can like get

47:57

things elongated but produced I have

47:59

to carry this

49:59

It's the worst monster cereal. Boo

50:02

Berry is the least of these. We've got

50:04

Count Chocula, we've got Franken Berry,

50:06

Fruit Brute,

50:07

Yummy Mummy, and then the new one. If you have

50:09

the new one, Carmella

50:10

Creeper, I got it last year. I don't eat cereal

50:12

like a baby. I eat regular adult food. Oh my God, you're

50:14

missing out. Are you

50:16

eating like, what? Do you eat cereal at all?

50:18

No. No. No. Okay. So I

50:21

eat children's cereal all

50:23

the time, every day. I did have Cheerios

50:26

today, because I was like, you need to work on your cholesterol.

50:28

Here's a bowl of cereal. But Carmella

50:30

Creeper is apple caramel.

50:33

Okay. That's very good. But the monster

50:35

cereals, Boo Berry is the worst. So Boo Berry

50:37

is not only the worst cereal, Boo Berry represents

50:40

blueberries. And I will

50:42

go to a, I will climb

50:44

up a hill, any hill anyone asked me. And

50:46

I will literally die on that hill

50:49

that blueberries

50:49

are the worst berry of all the berries.

50:52

Because better berries, straw,

50:55

rasp, black, crayon,

50:57

boysen, huckle, goose

50:59

cloud,

51:00

than any berry that God created that we haven't

51:02

found yet, then it's

51:04

blue. Yeah, I'm trying to think of a better,

51:06

like a worse, better one, but I can't. I

51:08

can't.

51:08

No, right? And I know people

51:10

love, they're like, but Boo Berry muffins, sure, sure, sure,

51:13

sure, sure. But you've had to cook all the

51:15

goo gross out of that. Because the texture

51:17

of a Boo Berry, listen, and it's a filler. Everybody

51:20

wants to talk about how melon is filler.

51:22

Blueberries are a

51:23

chicolay, trying to make blueberries

51:25

happen in that fruit cup. And

51:27

I bit into one the other, I was like, melon, give it another try. I've

51:29

always hated blueberries. I bit into it, I was like, why

51:32

is it tough to bite into you? But also

51:34

then very slimy. I don't

51:36

understand the blueberries.

51:36

I don't like that. I like them in shakes. You

51:39

know, I feel like they're antioxidants. That's nice, that's

51:41

good and helpful. But other than that,

51:43

it does have a poor texture. I don't enjoy

51:45

that. I know, and it kind of stains your teeth. It's

51:47

like a weird thing. I don't want to end with that. Listen,

51:50

to the cereal thing, cereal was

51:52

basically invented so people wouldn't like

51:54

be sexually active. And I just want to support something.

51:56

Which is exactly why I eat cereal

51:58

every morning. That's exactly why.

51:59

I don't material every morning Jamie, you

52:02

know, it's just a healthy lifestyle.

52:04

My last one I'm gonna do

52:06

Ghosts you

52:08

alluded to it ghosts in church haunted houses

52:11

That died because of a car wreck or a helicopter crash or

52:13

whatever. They drank one beer and

52:15

then exploded And then they spend

52:17

eternity trying to get you to walk the Romans Road

52:19

on Halloween night through a series of bad high school drama

52:22

It's not my favorite and I say that I'm

52:25

not just a client I was the owner

52:27

of my own performances of some

52:30

judgment house. Yeah, you were People

52:32

probably remember me from guy with a girlfriend

52:34

in a car and also I was

52:37

Demon tour guide with red contacts.

52:40

I think we've told the server for but It

52:42

was an angel and a demon Taking

52:44

the guy had taken the groups through And

52:47

my friend Paul was the angel

52:49

and I was demon so I bought red contacts

52:51

to wear to heighten the performance Because

52:54

we're this irritating they always were

52:56

so irritating they were not nice to wear I

52:59

did not enjoy them So yeah, I just

53:01

saw my favorite, you know, I don't want it. I am interested

53:03

that they're coming back I think that's fun.

53:04

Well and the fact that they have ghosts

53:07

But like I would think most Puritanical

53:10

evangelical Christians white American

53:13

evangelical Christians would be like no ghosts aren't

53:15

real But that's like they're ghosts in your

53:17

judgment house. Like how do you explain that?

53:19

Yeah, I feel like if you try to kneel White

53:22

evangelicals down about ghosts and spirits

53:24

and how that all crosses over or anything It's

53:27

gonna be a lot of confused looks, you know, that's like

53:29

a lot of hesitating maybe like Aaron a few minutes ago

53:31

I don't know. I'm not here to say who knows we'll find out what

53:33

it said in the edit

53:36

Alright

53:38

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54:02

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54:08

Jamie you'll

54:08

do some lights

54:10

All right, what is your red

54:12

light this week? Okay,

54:13

my red light this week comes from a tweet from Alex

54:15

Cohen Alex wrote on Twitter.

54:18

He said I don't think people without

54:20

kids Understand just how much free

54:22

time they have and

54:25

I want to reply to him He also followed up

54:27

and said if you don't have kids You

54:30

should a be hitting the gym five

54:32

times per week B Have a strong

54:34

social life C be working on

54:36

three to four interesting hobbies

54:39

and for Traveling as much as

54:41

possible you have all the time.

54:43

There is no excuse Okay,

54:46

so I want to address Alex specifically I know equals

54:48

things number one people without kids do understand

54:50

how much free time they have we a hundred percent No,

54:52

we we do not take it for granted. We recognize

54:56

In every way that not having a familial legacy

54:58

does give you more time to put some around on TikTok Also,

55:01

I know that some of you are listening are

55:03

empty nesters, which is actually the best of

55:05

both worlds You have your heart walking around the

55:08

earth outside of your body But

55:10

you also have plenty of time for candy crush which I really

55:12

love Second Alex those

55:14

things you listed that I should be doing because

55:16

I don't have kids Those are very expensive

55:19

free time flexes going to the gym

55:21

is expensive. I gotta have the cute like

55:24

Motionware from Target

55:26

and I've

55:26

got to have my Brooks ghost shoes

55:29

And I've got to have like a good

55:31

pair of headphones and then I've got to pay the gym

55:34

To not go there because I'm gonna not go

55:36

for a year, but I'm gonna have paid a year in membership

55:39

also All of us

55:42

have imagined if we had more time

55:44

that we would fill it with productive things like on

55:46

your list We would start businesses.

55:49

We would write the great American novel We would clean

55:51

out that one closet that scares

55:53

us a little right, but that's not what we do You

55:55

know what we do. We end up giving our dog pigtails

55:58

and then we end up practicing the choreography Oops, I did it

56:00

again. And we watched

56:02

Parks and Rec for the seventh time this week. Okay.

56:05

For me this weekend, I had some free time. I

56:07

sorted my lipsticks by how they made me feel. Yeah,

56:10

I couldn't do that with a six year old. I recognize that. We

56:12

do know. We 100%. We

56:15

know. Red light to you, Alex. I feel

56:18

like the point of having free time, I

56:20

said it's free to do whatever you want with it.

56:23

It's not hit the gym four times a week or what

56:26

was one? Travel a lot? I don't even

56:28

know. It's gold. Working on three to

56:30

four interesting hobbies. Well, what makes

56:32

it interesting? You know, like that's a very

56:34

valid or it's a very kind of definition.

56:37

That's just...

56:38

I feel like Alex would say the word

56:39

Bitcoin in terms

56:41

of an interesting hobby. You just don't have to

56:43

tweet everything you think. You know, you can just write in

56:45

a diary. Dear diary, here's my thoughts

56:47

on single people. Dear diary, I wish I didn't have kids

56:50

so I could go to the gym more. Exactly.

56:52

Sell your diary, Dad. Dear diary, I think I'm becoming an incel. I'm

56:55

what I post about it on Twitter. My

56:57

red light this week, these are just like random

57:00

red lights. No music, nothing, no fanfare. I

57:02

just... I noticed these, they're not big enough to be on their

57:04

own. But you have your own

57:04

music. You can have your own fun music.

57:07

I feel like it'd be like sad high school band music,

57:09

you know, and just like... Just like

57:11

very mediocre. Okay, fair enough. That's why I feel like

57:13

these are. But together, they form like

57:16

a good solid full red light. The

57:18

dollarita is back at Applebee's and

57:21

I just... Applebee's

57:23

is that what a chaotic world needs right now at this

57:25

moment? More, more,

57:29

more, $1 for a glass of alcoholic

57:31

beverage. I just... I get

57:33

alcohol, you guys. It's

57:35

not. It's... I don't... Like

57:37

we did away with Four Loko in the original formula for a reason. The

57:39

grimace shake only gets a couple weeks. We

57:42

don't need the dollarita back right now. Have you seen the Middle East?

57:44

Come on, get rid of it. John Stamos, I

57:46

guess he's doing his memoir or something, which like sometimes

57:49

I release a memoir with Britney Spears, you know, I would

57:51

have pushed that probably. Yeah, thank you. But he told...

57:54

Did you see the story about him getting cut by Tony De Anza? No, what

57:56

was it? Yeah, I think Terry Copley, his girlfriend

57:58

at the time. He was like I was busy

58:01

doing car shows which I was like what I

58:03

think on the Beach Boys dog And he was like she

58:05

wasn't return a call so I went to her house

58:08

comma Which was a beach house on

58:10

her ex-husband's property, which I thought that's

58:12

probably that's why that time Jesse

58:15

that like you don't have things like in order and

58:17

he's like I walked in and the door was cracked open And

58:20

I saw her in bed with a muscular

58:22

man With part like

58:24

one half his buttocks out and

58:26

I saw a poster that she had

58:28

rolled up and I'd never seen before She's naked in it

58:30

and she signed it to Tony like

58:32

love Terry or whatever and he was like, what do

58:34

I do? Do I fight him do I kick him in the balls? So

58:37

all he did was still he stole the poster and

58:39

just left and like never talked about it And

58:42

I was just like oh, Jesse, that is not a good story Listen,

58:44

I

58:44

thought you were saying that this was coming

58:46

out in the future and that it wasn't a good time

58:48

Yeah to have memoirs his

58:50

memoir came out the same day as Britney's.

58:52

Oh I thought

58:54

it was coming out later. Like why would you do it? I

58:57

didn't think in a million years

58:58

It came out Tuesday Why

59:01

would you even begin to try to compete your

59:03

publisher does not think your book is good and they

59:05

are burying

59:06

it That's what if you got more stories like this

59:08

like I'm into it like it was Mona there What's

59:11

the story there? What's going on? And the last one

59:13

Home Depot? Oh, I

59:16

thought you have my back, you know you sponsor

59:18

game day You got that cool commercial with like

59:20

all the sounds and like all the hardware sounds you

59:22

stock my favorite much a tase You

59:25

got off-ramp Matthew McConaughey making

59:27

sure Josh Lucas is cashing those checks getting work But

59:29

then you come out with this godforsaken

59:33

$300 skeletal monstrosity at spooky Halloween

59:35

time and you are daring all these people

59:37

to buy it and display it and I know They're

59:39

buying it. They're buying it what it look

59:42

I know it's cool for Halloween But what's just do the

59:44

other 364 days of the year put that in our attic.

59:47

That's insane Yeah, we're sure

59:49

that maybe we just give candy to children on

59:51

the day we're supposed to give candy to children Maybe that's

59:53

what we focus on. Keep it simple Jamie, which green light

59:56

this week Okay, my green

59:57

light this week is the new film killers

59:59

of the Flower Moon. Oh

1:00:02

my goodness. You guys, this is based on David Grant's

1:00:04

best-selling book of the same name. It

1:00:06

was a green light in 2017 here on the

1:00:08

podcast. This is about the reign of

1:00:10

terror period in the 1920s

1:00:13

Oklahoma. If you remember Oklahoma, well

1:00:15

most of the country to be honest, but Oklahoma had some

1:00:17

real clear terror seasons

1:00:20

in the 20s. Okay. Now this comes

1:00:22

from the fact that the US government had forced

1:00:24

the Osage nation to move off their lands in Kansas

1:00:27

and they said, you got to go live in Oklahoma. Nothing

1:00:29

good is there except when

1:00:31

they moved there, guess what was there? All

1:00:34

was on their land. And so the Osage became not

1:00:36

only the richest people in Oklahoma, but

1:00:39

on the entire planet. They became the

1:00:41

richest people in the world. Okay.

1:00:44

And guess who didn't like that? Why folks? No

1:00:46

likey. And so they started to murder

1:00:48

members of the nation to attain what's called

1:00:50

their head rights for their wealth. And these murders

1:00:52

caught the attention

1:00:54

of a newly formed bureau

1:00:56

in the government, which would later become the FBI.

1:00:59

This adaptation, if you

1:01:01

read the book and loved it, this

1:01:03

is the most beautiful compliment

1:01:06

to it because what Martin

1:01:08

Scorsese did, and he talked about this, it's like

1:01:10

originally they did write it from the perspective of the book.

1:01:12

David Green's book is really from the

1:01:14

Bureau of Investigation. It doesn't hone in on any

1:01:16

specific family, but Martin Scorsese

1:01:18

took that as a base and then built this

1:01:21

story around Molly

1:01:23

and her family. And it is so

1:01:26

fantastic. Part of me thinks this

1:01:28

is probably Martin Scorsese's last film. He did

1:01:30

an interview recently where he said there's just

1:01:32

not any time left because he's about to turn 81. But

1:01:35

it's a good one. If this is his last one, and let me tell

1:01:38

you, I was not prepared

1:01:40

for how much I

1:01:42

would be just blown away

1:01:45

by Robert

1:01:45

De Niro's performance. He is

1:01:48

fantastic

1:01:50

in this film. And I'm so glad that this

1:01:53

could be on his filmography

1:01:55

because I did not enjoy

1:01:57

him in The Irishman. this

1:02:00

so much. And then Leonardo DiCaprio,

1:02:02

what are you doing? Sunning and

1:02:04

look, this movie is three hours and 26

1:02:07

minutes long. Now, first of all, I know

1:02:09

that a lot of you are like, I could never, you

1:02:11

could, and you have Avengers in game,

1:02:13

Titanic, Oppenheimer, maybe this summer,

1:02:16

you can do it. You can do it. It's Avatar. Like you

1:02:18

can, you can do it. I didn't think my ADHD

1:02:20

or bladder would handle it. It handled it beautifully

1:02:22

because listen, Thelma Sheenmaker,

1:02:25

who is Martin Scorsese's longtime editor

1:02:27

for 50 years, she's won

1:02:29

four Oscars, I think this will be her fifth.

1:02:32

The pacing of this film is so well done

1:02:34

and you need every minute. There

1:02:36

is not an ounce of fat on

1:02:38

this film and I never like

1:02:41

got up. I never got nervous. I never

1:02:43

like, I don't know if I just was had the right meds

1:02:45

in me. I don't know what happened, but it was fantastic. And let

1:02:47

me say the real understated

1:02:50

star of the film is Lily Gladstone

1:02:51

who plays Molly. And the story

1:02:53

is about her family. She

1:02:55

did an interview with a Hollywood reporter that said, you

1:02:57

know, she had auditioned for the film and it was a much

1:02:59

smaller part at the time she had auditioned

1:03:02

and they never kind of followed up at all

1:03:04

of what was going to happen. So she was like, I just assumed

1:03:06

I didn't get it. And she goes, and I was probably just kind

1:03:09

of, she said, I had decided that

1:03:11

maybe acting wasn't for me. I just wasn't making

1:03:13

a lot of moves and getting a lot of roles. And

1:03:15

y'all she sat down at her computer

1:03:18

to register for a data analytics course

1:03:20

because she was going to apply for a seasonal job

1:03:22

at the department of agriculture to track

1:03:24

murder hornets. And when she sat down to the

1:03:26

computer, to take the course, she pulled

1:03:29

out her credit card. And she said, when I did that, my

1:03:31

phone buzzed. And it was a text

1:03:33

from her manager or from her agent

1:03:36

saying,

1:03:36

Martin Scorsese wants to do a zoom meeting

1:03:39

with you.

1:03:39

Wow. And listen, she's probably going

1:03:41

to win an Oscar. Like she's so fantastic

1:03:44

in

1:03:44

this. Who's watching out for the murder hornets? You

1:03:46

know, did they fill out a job? Good luck to Chad.

1:03:49

If they kill a fall, it's not going to matter.

1:03:50

I know. It's Lily Gladstone. It's like, we're not going to be able

1:03:53

to watch your movie. So this was, look,

1:03:55

I know that it's difficult to think about going

1:03:57

to the movie theater for that long, but

1:03:59

this is worth it. It this is such an important

1:04:01

story, but it's beyond that it

1:04:03

the script is top-notch the

1:04:05

act I just we you will not get

1:04:08

over what lead our DiCaprio does in

1:04:10

the film and the fact that Jesse Clemens Isn't

1:04:12

it Brendan Fraser? You're just like oh

1:04:14

look there's four minutes with him and it was fantastic everybody

1:04:18

in this is just Doing the

1:04:20

kind of work that

1:04:21

I think actors and directors dream

1:04:23

of doing it's it's really fantastic I'm

1:04:26

excited to see I'm seeing it tomorrow night You're

1:04:28

gonna love it. I hope I hope you're gonna

1:04:30

love it. I think you're gonna love it. My green light

1:04:32

this week is a book It's called MCU colon

1:04:35

the reign of Marvel Studios by

1:04:37

Joanna Robinson and Dave Gonzales and Gavin Edwards.

1:04:39

I Love Joanna Robinson.

1:04:41

I trust her with a lot of critiques

1:04:43

and criticism I think she's on the ring of prestige

1:04:46

podcast before that she was doing Man,

1:04:49

was it it wasn't I think maybe Vanity Fair

1:04:52

podcast recaps, but she's an

1:04:54

absolutely incredible smart

1:04:57

Intelligent reviewer and a great

1:04:59

podcaster as well The only sad thing about this book was

1:05:01

they let her do the first chapter But then she doesn't get

1:05:03

to read the rest which I don't understand because

1:05:05

that's the reason I've been paying attention to her As

1:05:08

I was a podcaster. Yeah of her voice I

1:05:10

don't know what's wrong with her voice that doesn't

1:05:12

let her read the book, but whatever but the

1:05:14

information in the book Alone

1:05:17

is really really good. It's essentially

1:05:20

I guess insight wisdom

1:05:23

It's not an oral history because they

1:05:26

talk about why at a certain Collaborate

1:05:28

but then halfway through Disney decides to do

1:05:31

their own version of a book So they close off everybody

1:05:33

so they have to get really creative with how they get information which

1:05:35

they do and it's really just

1:05:39

an awesome comprehensive Chronicle of the

1:05:41

rise and kind of the mediocre

1:05:44

ring of Marvel I Guess

1:05:47

Marvel Entertainment Studios, but also the cinematic

1:05:50

universe everything It's people

1:05:52

who were considered for other roles stuff

1:05:54

going on behind the scenes that led to decisions

1:05:56

that maybe we didn't understand But now we understand

1:05:58

why and it really focuses on I guess

1:06:00

the what I didn't realize was the most

1:06:02

powerful guy with Marvel this gentleman

1:06:05

named I think I pearl mutter And

1:06:08

he was the one who was the biggest

1:06:10

Disney shareholder after the sale But he held

1:06:12

all the cards had all the power how held all the sway

1:06:15

and his big priority was making movies

1:06:18

To sell toys so early on

1:06:20

that's the biggest thing that he's wanting

1:06:22

and that's what they're efforting Towards is

1:06:24

to make movies so that kids will want to buy

1:06:26

toys and eventually it gets to a point where

1:06:29

The differences of opinion and the differences of priorities

1:06:33

Collide essentially, but it's

1:06:35

just if you at all. I'm

1:06:37

not the biggest Marvel guy I'm not the

1:06:39

biggest superhero guy or the mythology

1:06:41

or anything like that But this is just a great nuts and

1:06:44

bolts of like how this thing that dominated our

1:06:46

culture for 10 years Came to be some

1:06:48

of it very expertise laden some

1:06:50

of it just very accidental So I thought all

1:06:52

of that was fascinating to read about

1:06:54

well I definitely want to read this because want to

1:06:56

ask for

1:06:56

point four stars New York Times

1:06:58

bestseller But also I I I'm

1:07:00

like you like I like Marvel, but it's not

1:07:02

it doesn't define me But I'm very

1:07:04

curious about its origin story like

1:07:07

how did we get how did we

1:07:08

get where this was the thing?

1:07:10

That

1:07:10

we were supposed to all think about and care about all

1:07:12

the time Yeah, and some of the this person

1:07:15

was supposed to be this person will blow your mind.

1:07:17

It's absolutely Okay,

1:07:20

that's gonna do for this episode the podcast for your memory

1:07:22

time You're gonna be shopping on Amazon make sure guardian

1:07:24

is on calm slash shop slash the podcast first You're

1:07:27

for the link or for item pursuing that link this week

1:07:29

was Jamie. This is an item called

1:07:31

a gosh fatality eagle wing necktie

1:07:33

First

1:07:33

of all the store called gosh fatality is

1:07:36

pop-notch Okay, so they sell

1:07:38

church supplies and this is a men's

1:07:41

wings as eagle They

1:07:44

have four point eight stars. It's 40 five ratings

1:07:46

for another time But and look there

1:07:48

are no negative rating and they're all four

1:07:50

or five stars and there were no questions So I had

1:07:52

to dig so I was like let's look more in that gosh

1:07:55

fatality. What kind of things are we selling? They're

1:07:57

selling church supplies, you know, like an oil